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  1. psmpsm

    Being listed as EoR on firm license and certificate of authorization

    I have been in the business for over a decade - and this is the first time I have been asked to stamp something. Given my manager asked me this shortly after joining, I don't think they "see my naivete" and are taking advantage of me in that way. I think they really had no clue what a PE can and...
  2. psmpsm

    Being listed as EoR on firm license and certificate of authorization

    The company didn't even know that they needed an engineering firm license. They intended to have me stamp drawings as the EOR for a long time now, we are just waiting on work. My perception tells me the company didn't have any intention of being dishonest here, they just don't know what is...
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    Being listed as EoR on firm license and certificate of authorization

    Right.. yea that was my thought, if they find someone that can do both functions. I'm not sure what our financials look like for hiring, but right now we are very lean on staff and we do intend to expand once we have work, so I would like to think they wouldn't fire me if they found someone...
  4. psmpsm

    Being listed as EoR on firm license and certificate of authorization

    Well, I am thinking to let my manager know that I cannot be this person.. do you think they would fire me for this? Obviously not a question you can answer with certainty, but just looking for perspective. I am debating whether to have a job lined up before mentioning this. In terms of being...
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    Being listed as EoR on firm license and certificate of authorization

    Is there any legal risk one should be aware of if their firm is listing them as the engineer of record for their firm license in each state, as well as their certificate of authorization? Assuming the engineer of record doesn't plan to stamp anything? Also, is there any document/reference that...
  6. psmpsm

    Can you hire a firm to stamp final design documents?

    phamENG, That makes sense. Fortunately, I was hired for a different function - so it would seem that any work I do for the design is just a bonus to work that I am already responsible for. Therefore, I have doubts that it would be seen as paying twice. They avoided hiring a separate design...
  7. psmpsm

    Can you hire a firm to stamp final design documents?

    Gte447f: Plan stamping was not my intent; if it came across that way, my apologies. Ideally I would like to have the outside firm intimately involved. We don't want any questionable actions on behalf of our firm such as having someone stamp at the very end with minimal knowledge of the product...
  8. psmpsm

    Can you hire a firm to stamp final design documents?

    Gte447f: You aren't wrong, really what I am trying to do here is pass off liability. I don't see anything ethically wrong with that as long as the appropriate steps are followed; my manager and myself intend to provide as high quality of a design as possible, but the very last step of stamping...
  9. psmpsm

    Can you hire a firm to stamp final design documents?

    phamENG Your red flag number 3 really puts things into perspective. When you say it like that.. there's no question that this whole situation isn't right. I guess I have all the ammunition I need to let my company know.. only concern is, I take on the risk of getting fired if I go through with...
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    Can you hire a firm to stamp final design documents?

    Gte447f: Our firm could theoretically do 80-90% of the design work and have an outside agency review it at each stage to stamp it at the end. Our firm is qualified to do the services, it's just that the PE-subordinate role is reversed - they have a PE (me) with no experience in the industry...
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    Can you hire a firm to stamp final design documents?

    Gte447f: Our firm is a manufacturer that is starting to get into services. I was hired to do one aspect of the services (studies) but because I appear to be very competent and have my PE, they decided to ask me to do the design as well. That way they don't have to hire an engineer for design...
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    Can you hire a firm to stamp final design documents?

    Stevenal - would doing something like this, make our firm look bad? Essentially they were supposed to hire a design engineer for this purpose but they decided to drop that responsibility on me, which is unfair. I don't think I'm being unreasonable asking them for this.
  13. psmpsm

    Can you hire a firm to stamp final design documents?

    I am exploring solutions to a situation I see myself being in, in the near future. Basically, I am tasked with being EoR for design work, when I was hired for study work. I have no design experience in this field (I do in another field). My manager is not licensed, but has the experience, and...
  14. psmpsm

    Company added PE related responsibilities after I accepted

    So, for someone who doesnt have previous design experience in datacenters, can they become the EoR for their first project or is that unethical? I am leaning towards unethical. Even if the manager were to assist and help, that is basically using a PE as a proxy and violates the responsible...
  15. psmpsm

    Company added PE related responsibilities after I accepted

    Well, I guess my question is from the perspective of being competent. With no design experience, even if I feel comfortable, and my manager checks the work, since I have no design experience I cannot declare myself competent enough to be the EoR, right?
  16. psmpsm

    Company added PE related responsibilities after I accepted

    I joined a company a short while ago where I was responsible for leading system study work for datacenter projects. Note, this thread is separate from my other thread regarding PE stamping (it's a different issue). After I joined, my manager asked if I would be alright being the engineer of...
  17. psmpsm

    Asked to stamp something I've never worked on or even know about

    Yep, that's correct. Unlicensed engineer, but he has degrees.
  18. psmpsm

    Asked to stamp something I've never worked on or even know about

    I never said my manager was a PE. He is not. He is an engineer without PE certification.
  19. psmpsm

    Asked to stamp something I've never worked on or even know about

    1) My mentor/manager is an engineer in the appropriate discipline (electrical). 2) I know that before, atleast for the first question I asked, the company had a PE to stamp the test reports. I believe that PE retired. That's not an issue for me though as I declined to stamp. 3) I'm really...
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    Asked to stamp something I've never worked on or even know about

    Well, I spoke to the person who asked me to sign and he was alright with my response. I don't have to sign/stamp anything. That being said, I had another scenario that came up. I am going to be working on the design of datacenters as well. My manager has extensive experience in datacenter...

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