Artistic Image Hand Drawn is bad in NX7.5 vs NX5

[PSI-CAD]

I have created a simple example to show that the artistic image has a lot of triangle in NX7.5. It was OK in NX5

The zip file contain the part file and one image generated in NX5 and another image generated in NX7.5

I found that this bug was corrected in NX8.5 but I would appreciate to find some setting in NX7.5

Thanks in advance


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Didier Psaltopoulos

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[JohnRBaker]

I tried everything I could think of which might effect this and while I was able to reduce the number of unwanted 'artifacts' in the final image, nothing that I was able to do got rid of them all.

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[PSI-CAD]

Hi John

I tried everything too and I thank you for watching this issue. So I will open a call


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Didier Psaltopoulos

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[JohnRBaker]

You can open a GTAC call, but I wouldn't hold my breath since it's already fixed in the current supported release and NX 7,5 will soon move to critical maintenance only, and this item will never make the priority list.

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[PSI-CAD]

Hi John,

You are right but I will try it. Anyway I found another problem in NX8.5. I am not able to save file generated with artistic image. Am I wrong ? or could you confirm that the menu disappear and also the result when opening high quality menu that is necessary to save the image.


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Didier Psaltopoulos

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[JohnRBaker]

I had no problem saving the .tif image created by the Artistic Image function using NX 8.5.2.2 (the second of three phases for the next MR, NX 8.5.2). When I get to the office I'll try and repeat this using the current released version of NX 8.5.1.

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[PSI-CAD]

Hi John,

I am sure that you have used File Export Tiff that is available without erasing the picture generated with artistic image. I have found this today. In fact, I had the habits to select the icon High Quality Image (CTRL SHIFT I). It worked well in NX7.5. Anyway, it's just a small regression


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Didier Psaltopoulos

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[JohnRBaker]

Actually, using the...

File -> Export -> PNG/JPEG/GIF/TIFF/BMP...

...is the preferred approach, if for no other reason than you have multiple image formats to choose from, while the 'High Quality Image' approach will only support the exporting of TIFF images.

BTW, now that I'm in the office and I can run legacy versions of NX (at least the ones that I don't have installed locally on my laptop) I went back and tested both NX 8.5.0.23 and NX 8.5.1.3 and I had NO problems whatsoever using the 'High Quality Image' menu to save a TIFF image of the display generated by the 'Artistic Image' function. So it would appear, based on BOTH my tests and my comments above, that there really is NO regression, "small" or otherwise.

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[Toost]

OOps!,
The file export etc will save a screendump, not the rendered data. The image cannot be smaller/larger than the current screen. Try setting the image size to something different than "Fill View", render and then Export.
The save button-s in the High Quality image dialog will save different sized images.
The save button in the High Quality image dialog CAN save in jpeg format, IF one writes the ".jpg" extension (!).

Regards,
Tomas

 

[JohnRBaker]

While it is true that the 'Image Preferences' set from within the 'High Quality Image' dialog will effect the output generated by the 'Artistic Image' function, I suspect that most people will be satisfied with images at screen resolution, which with today's higher and higher resolution displays is getting pretty good. For example, with my Nvidia card set at 1920 x 1080 and NX in full-screen mode, the image from a simple export -> image was 1920 x 980, and if I hide the Windows 'taskbar' I can gain an additional 54 pixels in height.

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[PSI-CAD]

Hi Tomas,

Thanks for your answer because I had forgotten what you mentioned. In my cas, generated images for documentation after sales service must be a specific size. So I need to use High Quality image dialog .

Could you confirm that the scrren is not refresh when you click on the High quality Image icon ? Because I have a problem on my laptop (have a look at the video)


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Didier Psaltopoulos

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[Toost]

Hi Didier, exactly the same "happened" !!! to me in 7554 mp7.
When the artistic image was rendered and displayed and I tried to save it, the image did disappear.
I was then trying to see what the "capture Studio image" button would offer so i set the display mode to Studio. ( The Capture studio image button then becomes active)
Then i again tried to render an artistic image, but this time i could save it, the image stayed on the screen.
After this , the image stays on screen and can be saved no matter what display mode i have active...
Weird.


Regards,
Tomas

 

[JohnRBaker]

As I previously stated, I've been unable to duplicate the problem, using three different versions of NX 8.5 so far, of not being able to save a TIFF file of an 'Artistic Image' using the 'Save' option on the 'High Quality Image' dialog, irrespective of whether I was in Studio mode or not.

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[PSI-CAD]

Hi Tomas,

The Capture studio image button doesn't allow to set the resolution to 200 dpi

Hi John,

I understand why you didn't reproduce the problem, I have found the solution, it's very strange:

Open my part cognac.prt that is save in shading
try to do the same step than my video
you should reproduce the problem
Now choose studio mode
try again
It works
Now go back to shading mode
try again
It works also

Thanks to try also with your part. I am waiting for your feedback


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Didier Psaltopoulos

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[JohnRBaker]

OK, I've finally figured out what's happening (after watching your video) and I promise to open a PR.

However, that being said, I also know how to avoid it happening altogether.

The issue appears to be that you when you open the 'High Quality Image' dialog to set the resolution for when the Artistic image is generated and subsequently saved, that when you return to the main dialog that it's in a state where it's waiting for you to hit OK to clear it (after all, the OK button is 'Green' indicating that this is the next expected action, however you never actually hit the OK button but rather open another function, in this case the 'Artistic Image' function. Unfortunately the system has sort of queued-up that last status of the dialog and is waiting for you to return at which point it thinks that you're NOW ready to create that image to be saved, NOT that you've already created it and is just waiting for you to Save it.

But if you HAD hit OK after setting your resolution so that the 'High Quality Image' dialog was actually closed BEFORE you selected the 'Artistic Image' button, then when you reopened the 'High Quality Image' dialog there would be nothing pending and therefore it would read the current buffered image as that which was going to be saved rather than looking for the image that it never got around creating when you first opened the dialog. Granted, this is a poor interactive situation, which is why I'm going to open the PR since I just checked and it still behaves this way in the 'next' version of NX, which goes into beta testing next week, so there's still a chance to get this fixed for that release (but I doubt we'll do anything in any of the currently supported releases, which appears to only be NX 8.5).

Anyway, if you simply change your workflow as I've described above the problem will go-way, but as I promised, I will open the PR as it IS a regression since it worked fine up until a year ago.

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[Toost]

Didier, what you now found is what i tried to say in my previous post...
IF you set the display mode to Studio, then the artistic image works / can be saved the way one expects to. And again no matter what display mode one runs.
I tried it on a Lenovo desktop but there i never saw the problem at all. It could be something related to our hardware / graphics.
I remember that we discussed Dell M6600 laptops earlier, i assume that you also run one. I have one with a Quadro 4000M running the 311.10 driver version.

Regards,
Tomas

 

[PSI-CAD]

Hi Tomas

I confirm that I have a M6600 with Quadro 4000M running the 296.79 driver version

Hi John

I confirm that I understand your workflow

Thanks a lot


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Didier Psaltopoulos

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