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ASME Drawing Standards: Altered Item or New Revision? 1

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engineerbecca

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I'm not sure if it would be more appropriate to approach a situation as a new revision of an existing drawing, or if it should be reissued as an altered item.

Here is the situation: I work for company A, and we are upgrading a project and drawing package originally produced by company B. In the upgrade, we are adding more functionality to the project, changing some of the configuration of hardware and software. Eventually, all instances of this project will have the upgrade. We need the drawings to match the new configuration. Should our upgraded drawings be treated as new revisions of the original drawings, or altered item drawings?

If we make them altered item drawings, it will be easier to upgrade the project (which is a lot of the work we are doing), but in order to build a new project from scratch, you will need two versions of the drawing: the original version and our altered item version. Very rarely will a project be built from scratch so implementing our changes as altered item drawings might make more sense for our purposes. But there's still an argument to be made for keeping the original title block and just bumping the rev. It will just be difficult to identify the changes when doing an upgrade.

See below for some applicable excerpts from the ASME drawing standards:

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ASME Y14.24 Types and Applications of Engineering Drawings
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6.1 Altered Item Drawing (Figs. 11 and 12)

6.1.1 Description. An altered item drawing delineates the physical alteration of an existing item under the control of another design activity or defined by a nationally recognized standard. The drawing type permits the required alteration to be performed by any competent manufacturer including the original manufacturer, the altering design activity, or a third party. It establishes a new item identification for the altered item.

6.1.2 Application Guidelines. An altered item drawing is prepared when alteration of an existing item is required. An altered item drawing shall not be prepared to modify an existing item that was developed by the design activity.

6.1.3 Requirements. An altered item drawing includes:

(a) information necessary to identify the existing item’s form, fit, function, and performance requirements prior to alteration, including the original item identification. Unless the item being altered is defined by a nationally recognized standard, this information shall be delineated on the altered item drawing, or provided by reference to a design disclosure drawing, a vendor item control drawing, or source control drawing as applicable.

(b) complete details of the alteration.

(c) a unique identifier assigned to the altered item.

(d) re-identification marking requirements; the original item identification being replaced shall be removed or obliterated, if this can be done without damage to the item. (However, microcircuit re-identification marking shall be in addition to the existing original marking and shall be visibly separate from and in no way interfere with the existing marking.)

(e) the notation ALTERED ITEM DRAWING adjacent to the drawing title block.

(f) a parts list when the alteration necessitates any additional item(s) to produce the altered item.

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ASME Y14.35-1997 Revision of Engineering Drawings
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3.7 Design Activity
An activity having responsibility for the design of an item. The activity may be government, commercial, or nonprofit organization (ASME Y14.24M).

3.7.1 Design Activity, Current. An activity currently having responsibility for the design of an item, and
the preparation or maintenance of drawings and associated documents. Current design activity could be the original activity or new activity when that responsibility is transferred from another design activity (ASME Y14.24M).

3.7.2 Design Activity, Original. An activity having had responsibility originally for the design of an item and whose drawing number, name and address (city and state), or CAGE Code is shown in the title block of the drawings and associated documents (ASME Y14.24M).

6.2 Transfer of Drawings Between Design Activities
When transferring design responsibility for a drawing from one design activity to another, the drawing number, part number, and the design activity identification, as- signed to the drawing shall not be changed. The design activity identification such as company name, address, CAGE Code, etc., as applicable, of the new design activity shall be added above the Title block by revision action. An explanatory notation may accompany the entry of the new design activity identification above the Title block.
 
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"Should our upgraded drawings be treated as new revisions of the original drawings"

Only if the parts will be fully backward & forward compatible should it only be a revision. I.e. unless you can throw both revisions in a bin and use either with no problem a revision is not the way to go. From your limited description you're changing them because of functional differences so they shouldn't be revisions. Look at ASME Y14.100-2004 section 6.8 - will be affected by whether your drawing numbers double as part numbers which is typically (but not always) the case.

ASME Y14.24 Types and Applications of Engineering Drawings 6.1 said:
An altered item drawing delineates the physical alteration of an existing item under the control of another design activity or defined by a nationally recognized standard.

Is the original manufacturer still the design authority or has that now passed to your employer? I suspect a modification drawing may be more appropriate if you go this direction.

Or it may just be that you should assign new part numbers for the modified version which will facilitate new production. You might be able to create the new PN/drawing that 'make from PN***' is an alternative option along with addressing any differences. E.g. "5. ALTERNATIVE METHOD OF MANUFACTURE: MAKE FROM PART NUMBER XXX. CHEMICAL CONVERSION COATING PER MIL-DTL-5541F TYPE II CLASS 3 (CLEAR) SHALL BE APPLIED TO MACHINED SURFACES. You could also have some routing doc or similar that details how to modify an old version.

Posting guidelines faq731-376 (probably not aimed specifically at you)
What is Engineering anyway: faq1088-1484
 
Make a new drawing, with a new number.

Because the change affects interchangeability, it can't be a revision.

Altered item drawings add confusion and expense, forever and repeatedly.
Making a finished part, then changing it, is completely contradictory to any modern practice by any name. Even if you now intend to make the new part in one step, someday, someone is going to go to the trouble of actually making the intermediate part, per your documentation, and then carrying out the alteration, per your documentation, and you will be paying them to do that. Maybe you will yell at them and then fire them for being so stupid. Their replacements will do the same.







Mike Halloran
Pembroke Pines, FL, USA
 
You need 2 drawings and part numbers.

Drawing 1 is the alterations from the part in a 'make from' situation showing only the changes made to the original part.
Drawing 2 is the complete part detail to be manufactured from raw stock.

In your BOM, list drawing 1 part number and drawing 2 part number as being interchangeable.

Revise both drawings with changes moving forward until such time that the drawing 1 part is no longer being 'produced' and all parts in inventory are depleted. At that point, revise the BOM to the drawing 2 part number only. You may want to mark the drawing 1 with a superceded by note referencing drawing 2 part number. May also mark drawing 2 with a note that this part supercedes drawing 1 part.


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It's important to note that any change in form, fit, or function means a new part number must be assigned. An Altered Item Drawing does that because it assigns a new part number but only if you are planning to buy the original part from an external supplier. If going forward the parts are to be made from scratch at one place then one drawing encompassing both drawings should be made.

Tunalover
 
Thank you for all of these replies. I feel like I have a much better understanding of revisions and how to move forward with these drawings. I think we're going to incorporate both drawings into one: one that clearly shows how to upgrade the device, and another that shows how to build it from scratch.
 
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