gwalkerb
Petroleum
- Jul 4, 2012
- 74
I have two questions related to interpretation of certain B31.8 sections.
We build compressor packages, usually to B31.3, and so we use a lot of ASME B16.9 fittings and B16.5 flanges.
We've been building to B31.8 for some packages these days, and there's a minor ambiguity I want to confirm. DOT 49 CFR 192 (pipeline regulations) doesn't reference SP-75 or A860, although B31.8 does have some references to SP-75. Both documents do reference MSS SP-44 for flanges. So we specify all four of those ASME and MSS specs as appropriate (materials for the ASME fittings from ASTM A106/A234/A105). However, it's a slightly ambiguous as to how this affects my pressure design calculations. The relevant reference from B31.8 is below.
B31.8 831.3.1 (b)
Steel buttwelding fittings shall comply with either ASME B16.9 or MSS SP-75 and shall have pressure and temperature ratings based on stresses for pipe of the same or equivalent material.
While B31.8 does explicitly state the SMYS values for API 5L pipe, it doesn't for SP-75 fittings (or SP-44 flanges). I've taken the 'equivalent material' to be the WPHY grade that matches the API 5L grade (e.g. we would use MSS SP-75 WPHY60 fittings to connect to API 5L X60 pipe). However, the published SMYS for the SP-75 fittings are slightly lower than those for the equivalent pipe. For the aforementioned example, 5L X60 has a SMYS of 60,200 psi, while SP-75 WPHY60 has an SMYS of 60,000 psi.
Therefore, I've used 60,000 psi in my calculations to 841.1.1 (a) in B31.8, since it's all part of the same piping system, the lowest yield material would govern. This is all straightforward, but it's when I've been looking at the requirements of reinforcement (B31.8 831.4) that I'm not completely sure what stress value to use. Table 831.4.2-1 notes different requirements depending on the 'ratio of design hoop stress to minimum specified yield strength in the header'.
So my first question is this: given that we would only ever be making openings that could require reinforcement in piping (i.e. the header), and not fittings or flanges, is it acceptable to use the higher SMYS of the pipe for this hoop stress ratio calculation, rather than the limiting SMYS of the piping system based on the fittings or flanges? It's close enough that this won't make a difference in the majority of cases, but that doesn't cover every possible scenario.
My second question is also related to section 831.4.2 of B31.8.
831.4.2 Special Requirements. In addition to the requirements of para. 831.4.1, branch connections must meet the special requirements of the following paragraphs as given in Table 831.4.2-1:
My interpretation of this clause is that any of the special requirements of 831.4.2 are only applicable when that sub-section is specifically referenced in Table 831.4.2-1.
831.4.2 has sub-sections (a) through (k). However, Table 831.4.2-1 only references (a) through (j). (k) provides rules for using MSS SP-97 fittings (olets). Does this mean that (k) is always applicable, or does it mean that it is never applicable? 831.4.2 (k) doesn't appear to be referenced anywhere else in B31.8. (k) was just added in B31.8-2020, and doesn't exist in previous revisions, so it seems odd to me they would add it without any proper references to it's applicability.
We build compressor packages, usually to B31.3, and so we use a lot of ASME B16.9 fittings and B16.5 flanges.
We've been building to B31.8 for some packages these days, and there's a minor ambiguity I want to confirm. DOT 49 CFR 192 (pipeline regulations) doesn't reference SP-75 or A860, although B31.8 does have some references to SP-75. Both documents do reference MSS SP-44 for flanges. So we specify all four of those ASME and MSS specs as appropriate (materials for the ASME fittings from ASTM A106/A234/A105). However, it's a slightly ambiguous as to how this affects my pressure design calculations. The relevant reference from B31.8 is below.
B31.8 831.3.1 (b)
Steel buttwelding fittings shall comply with either ASME B16.9 or MSS SP-75 and shall have pressure and temperature ratings based on stresses for pipe of the same or equivalent material.
While B31.8 does explicitly state the SMYS values for API 5L pipe, it doesn't for SP-75 fittings (or SP-44 flanges). I've taken the 'equivalent material' to be the WPHY grade that matches the API 5L grade (e.g. we would use MSS SP-75 WPHY60 fittings to connect to API 5L X60 pipe). However, the published SMYS for the SP-75 fittings are slightly lower than those for the equivalent pipe. For the aforementioned example, 5L X60 has a SMYS of 60,200 psi, while SP-75 WPHY60 has an SMYS of 60,000 psi.
Therefore, I've used 60,000 psi in my calculations to 841.1.1 (a) in B31.8, since it's all part of the same piping system, the lowest yield material would govern. This is all straightforward, but it's when I've been looking at the requirements of reinforcement (B31.8 831.4) that I'm not completely sure what stress value to use. Table 831.4.2-1 notes different requirements depending on the 'ratio of design hoop stress to minimum specified yield strength in the header'.
So my first question is this: given that we would only ever be making openings that could require reinforcement in piping (i.e. the header), and not fittings or flanges, is it acceptable to use the higher SMYS of the pipe for this hoop stress ratio calculation, rather than the limiting SMYS of the piping system based on the fittings or flanges? It's close enough that this won't make a difference in the majority of cases, but that doesn't cover every possible scenario.
My second question is also related to section 831.4.2 of B31.8.
831.4.2 Special Requirements. In addition to the requirements of para. 831.4.1, branch connections must meet the special requirements of the following paragraphs as given in Table 831.4.2-1:
My interpretation of this clause is that any of the special requirements of 831.4.2 are only applicable when that sub-section is specifically referenced in Table 831.4.2-1.
831.4.2 has sub-sections (a) through (k). However, Table 831.4.2-1 only references (a) through (j). (k) provides rules for using MSS SP-97 fittings (olets). Does this mean that (k) is always applicable, or does it mean that it is never applicable? 831.4.2 (k) doesn't appear to be referenced anywhere else in B31.8. (k) was just added in B31.8-2020, and doesn't exist in previous revisions, so it seems odd to me they would add it without any proper references to it's applicability.