Certified Electrician or not???... 2

[cfordyce]

I have nowhere else to ask this so please clear this up. Is it against the law for anyone other than a certified Electrician (Journyman) to work within an Electrical Maintenance capacity in a Plant? What law? Please give me a reference to an Ontario Act. ,Law or Regulation. I believe it is so but I can't find the source of this law. Thanks.

 

[redtrumpet]

Try the Occupational Health and Safety Act or equivalent in Ontario. Also Ontario should have an Electrical Safety or Inspections Act (can't remember the exact title) where they mandate the use of the CEC and provincial amendments to the CEC, along with other pertinent regulations.

 

[jlhmaint]

http://electrical-contractor.net/cgi-bin/Ultimate.cgi?action=intro&BypassCookie=true

go to this web page there are some very good people on this page that are certified electricians all over the world and you can post the same question and you will get some expert answers.

 

[jbartos]

Suggestion: Visit

http://www.ontla.on.ca/french/hansard/committee_debates/36_parl/session2/gengov/g011.htm

and click on pertinent links.

 

[jlhmaint]

let us know what conclusion you come to.

 

[jlhmaint]

i posted a link to this form on the web page i listed so you can get an answer.

 

[jbartos]

Suggestion: Visit

http://www.mfoa.on.ca/client/mfoa/M...on+243-02/$file/ontario+regulation+243-02.pdf

Also, there are services that may find it for you, e.g.

http://www.duhaime.org/ca-con3.htm

 

[MidnightHacker]

This depends on the Job Desciption. I worked 8 years as an Electrical Wireman in a steel plant and did not have any formal training as an Electrician. As a maintenance electrician you perform work on equipment that for the most is already cerified. Now the work you actually perform depends on how you interpret the laws. You don't need a Licensed Elect. to pass cables and change air filters on AC Drives. But what about taking calls and troubleshooting equipment? Do you need to be licensed for this? As long as you have been trained on safety, lock-out procedures there should be no issue. If you change or affect the operation of the equipment or are commisioning equipment then a non licensed person should be working under the direct supervision of a licensed electrician or engineer. While a worked in the electrical department I did continue my education on the code book, motor control, etc. and I have my hours to write my license. I have moved on to another position within the company and I believe the hiring policy has changed and a license is now a requirement in the job description. This topic could go on for a while. A license does not prove compentence, nor does a lack of one. Some of the best troubleshooters and workers, were the non-licensed electricians.

 

[jbartos]

Suggestion: Visit

http://soscanada2000.com/imtodno23.html

for:
Trade certification is compulsory in Prince Edward Island and available, but voluntary, in Newfoundland, Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, Quebec, Ontario, Manitoba and the Yukon.
Interprovincial trade certification (Red Seal) is also available to qualified industrial electricians.

However, verify if it is up to date.

 

[cfordyce]

Thank-you everyone, for your posts. However, I still do not have a definitive answer to this question. Do my Electrical Maintenace staff need to be Certified Electricians in Ontario in order to work 'restriction free' on all Plant electrical equipment? I have all the documentation that people have been refering me to, but I have found no accurate reference to this issue. e.g. OH&S Act and Regulations, CEC Codebook...

C. Fordyce

 

[jbartos]

Comment. My previous posting indicates that the Trade Certification is voluntary in Ontario. This means that your Electrical Maintenance Staff needs to be Certified Electricians in Ontario on vouluntary basis. I suggest that you send an inquiry message in the link that I posted in my previous posting.

 

[don01]

ah mr cfordyce
I'm on the other side of the world and this argument rages here too. It is compulsory here and watch out if they catch unlicenced work etc etc. I would make a suggestion and bear in mind I don't know the names of departments over there.
There will be an industrial safety regulators type of office in your area. 'phone them up. then try the authority who issues the licences surely they will issue copies of "the rules".
Given that if you are not following the rules one of these bodies will come after you ask them and shift it back to them. I did this 2 weeks ago to clear up a similiar issue here.

All the best
Don

 

[cfordyce]

Thank-you DON for your comments/suggestions. Not that it really matters but just to clarify my motives for seeking this info...I am not looking to use this info to make any personnel changes or to show anyone’s qualifications are not adequate for their position, but in the same regard, I would like to be aware of the facts if this issue ever arose.

CAF

 

[jlhmaint]

Tony Moscioni
Moderator posted 11-21-2002 02:35 PM
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Here is the answer in Ontario, Canada.
Under the OH&S act and enforced by the Ministry of Labour, not the Inspection Department.

OH&S Act & Regulations-1999-page #60.
(Excerpts)

Adoption of Training Requirements

1) The requirements for certification of trades prescribed in the regulations made under the Trades Qualification Act and set out in the schedule are adopted and prescribed in the standard with which every worker in those trades must comply.

3) Every employer who employs a worker in a trade set out in the schedule, other than a apprentice as defined in section 1 of the Trades and Qualifications Act, shall ensure that the worker holds a subsisting certificate of qualification in that trade or equivalent certificate of qualification issued by the province of Quebec.

Schedule:

Electrician, branch 1: construction & maintenance electrician

Electrician, branch 2; domestic and rural electrician

Tony Moscioni
Electrical Inspector
Electrical Safety Authority

 

[cfordyce]

Got it. Thanks.

CAF

 

[bobby69]

In Ontario, you do not have to be a licensed electrician to do plant maintenance. Qualified and authorized have very different meanings. Qualified is defined as a person who has successfully completed a recognized term of apprenticeship. This person will be more suited to fill the position. A qualified person is one who is aware of the hazards involved in performing the task. Hopefully, this will shed some light on your dilemma.

Regards;

Bobby.

 

[jbartos]

Question to the previous posting. Please, would you clarify what "authorized" means?

 

[don01]

hi all
I put the star on jlhmaint's post. It is very pleasing to see a clear statement from a regulatory body. (Obviously some one slipped up).

Now bobby69 I would ask (and its only an ask) do you believe that you don't have to be certified to carry out maintenance work? and by this you mean fix it or install it?

In you last sentence do you mean authorised is aware of hazards?
I ask this question given the meaning of authorised down under is that a suitable authority grants permission eg Gov body, property owner, poice man depending on the context.
So this has raised my curiousity as to context and meaning "up there"

Thanx Don

 

[jlhmaint]

Thank you don01, i can only take credit for the cut and paste from another form were i posted the question for cfordyce. Tony Moscioni is the originator of the post.

 

[don01]

put simply - cool and honest
regards Don