Condenser freezing up? 2

[cctdiag]

Hi

Can anybody give me an indication of what I need to get checked with a heat pump installation. I have a system on a air handling unit whose condenser ices up at the bottom third during the winter months, obviously when we are trying to extract heat from the outside air (typically about 1-2 deg C and below.)
I have been told a restricted airflow across the coils can cause this, and when the icing builds up, it causes the situation to worsen?

jeff

 

[meintsi]

One big problem would be a low refrigerant level due to a leak.

 

[m1ckvb]

How old is the unit?

 

[cctdiag]

The unit in question is nearly 3 years old and has been giving us problems over the last two winters. The unit has been checked for low gas levels but is ok

Jeff

 

[Roach]

When you say "condenser", do you mean the coil outside? If so, it is acting as an evaporator on the heat cycle, I think, since it taking heat from the outside and thus evaporating the gas. )Somebody correct me if I am wrong!!! I have seen "evaporator" coils freeze on the cooling cycle (inside coil), and have solved the problem by cleaning the coils. This means that air flow restriction- or poor heat conduction due to added dirt and as you mentioned, ice,-can cause the freezing to occur or get worse. I am no expert though, this is just what I have experienced.

Roach

 

[ChasBean1]

cct - Refrigerant type? Application? Latitude (e.g., Portland, ME, or Miami, FL?) Usually coils shouldn't freeze unless there's a problem with refrigerant charge or with the expansion device...

 

[DeltaCascade]

A quick preliminary search on google revealed an informative site at

http://toad.net/~jsmeenen/question.html

which reads:

Q: My Heat Pump Turns Into A Block Of Ice

I have a Tempstar 5000 heat pump unit in my home. I live near Tyler, Texas about 75 miles east of Dallas (we are in Maryland). The temperature here rarely gets too far below freezing. At this time of the year I am experiencing
"freeze-up" of the unit. What I mean is that frequently during the heating cycle the unit quits putting out warm air and begins putting out cold air. This occurs at various outside temperatures even 40 degree or higher. The unit is clean, free of debris and has only been in service for three years. I find it hard to believe that this is a normal occurrence for this part of the country. Is there something that can be done?

A: I am quite familiar with your problem and from what I have seen you have one of two problems, possibly two. In the normal course of making heat your heat-pump gets cold and WILL make ice depending on outdoor temperature and humidity. The textbooks all say that most ice production is produced at 40 degrees F. But this will vary with actual humidity and the temperature of the coils especially if it is snowing.

To get rid of this ice, most heat-pumps have a time-temperature-defrost system. This system uses a timer; either a clock-motor or an electronic timer. The timer will have mechanical or electronic jumpers with stops at 30,60 and 90 minutes.

When the compressor runs the clock runs and time is accumulated. At the selected intervals the clock will energize a defrost event through a thermostat or a sensing bulb, if the temperature of the sensor is below 28 degrees F. When the temperature of the sensor rises to 50 or 70 degrees F or 10 minutes elapses and the defrost cycle is terminated.

The way the defrost cycle works is the unit is forced into A/C mode, the out-door fan is stopped, the indoor fan is stopped or electric heat is activated. The ice is melted off the coils and when the temperature sensor is satisfied, or 10 minutes elapses if it is not satisfied or failed, the outdoor fan comes back on and blows the water vapor away and at the same time the unit is reversed back into heat-mode.

If this function is not working your unit can and WILL become a solid block of ice to the point of stopping the outdoor fan and making the unit useless. This is also very hard on your compressor. Most units come from the factory with the time set at 90 minutes. I would recommend setting the time to 30 minutes.

What causes the ice: Your heat-pump is basically an air conditioner run in reverse. It works by boiling refrigerant in the outdoor coil and condensing it in the indoor coil. The way the refrigeration process works is liquid refrigerant is metered to the outdoor coil through a TEV. (Thermostatic Expansion Valve) or an orifice (Carrier calls them accurators) . Units like Trane, Rheem or York use TEVs. Most all the others use orifices.

At one extreme is if the orifice is too large. All the liquid refrigerant will be blasted through the system without a chance for it to pick up latent heat or build head pressure at the indoor-coil.

At the other extreme, if the orifice is too small or the TEV is stuck, the outdoor coil will form ice just as the refrigerant enters the coil and build ice very quickly but not pick up much heat. If a pressure gauge is hooked to the unit on the suction side you will find a very low pressure like 10-30 psi and the compressor will draw significantly low current. If the unit is short of refrigerant this symptom will occur in both heat and A/C modes.

Other things that will cause ice to form faster: filthy dirty unit; grass, dirt, mud, leaves, pet hair if the animal is near the unit, a stopped fan or fan blade on backwards or fan motor turning the wrong direction, a replacement fan motor of a lower rpm (850 instead of 1550), a flat pitch fan blade (22 degrees instead of 33 degrees), bad motor bearings. Any and all of the previous causes will cause poor performance in cooling mode and high current and head pressures or low current and pressures in heat mode.

Chances are you have a problem with your defrost cycle but you could have other problems too.

Good luck.

 

[cctdiag]

Thank you all for yuor contributions, i will digest DeltaCascade's post before I go any further. But in the meantime I will get the gas charge checked again and carryout cleaning of the coils, as these seems to be common points made by most.
cctdiag

 

I have more stuf on that subject at

http://toad.net/~jsmeenen/heatpump.html

and

http://toad.net/~jsmeenen/defrost.html

Scott Meenen
N3SJH
Laurel Maryland