Continental flights in the very near futur will be replaced by High Velocity trains 3

[0707]

Because of pollution, Continental flights in the very near futur will be replaced by High Velocity trains, because trains are much less polluent and will compete more and more in velocity with planes. Intercontinental flight planes will keep going on making sense but, they have to change to a less poluent combustible maybe hydrogen will be well positioned.

luis

 

[0707]

probably we are not there to see.

luis

 

[0707]

There is already a mechanisme called automatic pilote is it usefulness?

luis

 

[rb1957]

yes there is an automatic pilot … set by the guys flying the plane. It isn't "robotic" in the sense that it could fly the plane. It has different modes, like auto-land, set by the guys flying the plane.

sure, you could set it up to remote piloting, as in the military drones and UAVs … but I don't see this being used for passenger transports any time soon.

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[IRstuff]

The bigger the risk, the higher the likelihood of requiring a human at least monitoring the controls.

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[rb1957]

yes, even though "pilot error" is probably the leading cause of accidents, we still rather have two (error prone) self-interested people (highly motivated to continue living) in the pointy end of the plane so that when things go bad …

and yes this is not rational … pilots probably cause more accidents than they recover from … but people are not entirely rational.

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[0707]

A plane, because of gravity force, never stays up there, but some of the times it lands slowly with the automatic pilot, that the passengers don´t even feel the danger of a forced landing.

luis

 

[0707]

If it was a pilot great one!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KlPPHXdkcI

 

[rb1957]

you do realise that's not real ? (but computer simulation)

there are plenty of real scary landings without looking at sims.

 

[0707]

What I say is, this landing was done by a real, pilot or by automathic pilot?. By sims you mean simulators?

luis

 

[rb1957]

the clip you link to is from a flight simulator … it is not real.

There are plenty of real "hard" landings on YT.

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[thebard3]

How can you watch that and not know it's not real. Pan Am went out of business 30 years ago.

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[TiCl4]

Population density of Europe is ~3.5X (people per sq km) than the US. High cost infrastructure investment is directly dependent on potential users of that system to recoup the investment cost. Any project in the US for rail travel already starts at a huge disadvantage from the population density alone (excluding large, close-by cities, most of which already have some form of rail existing or planned). The most you will ever see is major city-to-major city railway (i.e. Washington DC to NYC) over short distances.

To eliminate intro-continental plane travel would require an extensive train network (in order to avoid replacing planes with car travel, which is less efficient). That just isn't going to happen in the US naturally.

The only way to implement that would be through an enormous taxation effort (ala the Green New Deal), which would be...unpopular...to say the least.

 

[rb1957]

do you mean that the US (ie NA) is different to Europe ? No, say it ain't so ...

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[0707]

17000 aircraft, constitute the world aviation park. During the peak of the pandemic, 64% of this total has parked and a portion of it will never fly again. 600 commercial aircraft are shot down every year in the U.S. 115 seats is the largest aircraft parking in Europe, located in Teruel Spain, which registers full capacity and is providing expansion. 55% less passengers flying is the post-pandemic estimate. With less demand many planes currently stationed will not return to make trips. The deserts of Arizona and California in the USA and Teruel in Spain bring together most of the planes stationed on land. 95% of the components of an airplane are used by maintenance companies to be used in appliances still in use. (The morning post)

luis

 

[rb1957]

"600 commercial aircraft are shot down every year in the U.S." … what ?? where does this statistic come from ? (not who's reporting it, which I guess is "The Morning Post", but where did they get it … from the FAA ?)

yes, aviation has taken a downturn with the pandemic … what's the point ? Are you suggesting that other forms of travel will take over ? … Haven't you noticed you could write the same piece for cruise ships ? … All travel is down, very little recreational travel is happening (as is shouldn't, in this pandemic).

I expect aviation will return. I think it may take some time for the low costs to return, but there's obviously some market force pushing for volume.

I notice that several airlines are still ordering planes, sure many are deferring or cancelling orders ('cause they have no/little income to provide the funds).

There is a global contraction in aviation. I note that China seems close to opening up it's domestic networks, and I think this puts Chinese airlines in an interesting position when things open up.

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[0707]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...rt-giant-boneyard-airbase-remain-storage.html

https://www.foxnews.com/us/coronavirus-airplanes-southwest-desert-parking-spot

luis

 

[3DDave]

The OP either cannot type or doesn't know that "shot down" = anti-aircraft guns or anti-aircraft missiles destroying aircraft mid-flight.

Also doesn't know that close-quarters transport of all kinds is not used during a pandemic, especially passenger trains, where periods of contact are even longer.

I mentioned before seeing a 2 hour plane trip would have taken 36 hours and cost more by train; the plane flight I had several departures per day to choose from; the train was several per week. US passenger rail competes too much with heavy freight and routes are too inflexible in comparison to flying.

 

[0707]

I have nothing against planes and aerospace guys! Instead of shot down , I would say shutdown, excuse me my friend! Don´t get offended!

luis

 

[rb1957]

this whole thread is the difference between Europe and NA.

Europe has a well developed train network which competes well with aviation (in normal times).
NA doesn't and has much greater distances to travel.

Europe has limited high speed trains, which has helped trains compete with planes. But I don't believe we'll see aviation replaced with ultra high speed trains "in the near future". The investment is staggering.

The pandemic doesn't change this. The pandemic has shutdown most inter-continental (and much intra-continental) travel .. plane and train.

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