jochav52802
Structural
- Nov 28, 2018
- 81
Good Morning,
I frequently see mechanical details showing pipe support racks hanging off of steel joists, which concerns me as lateral loads such as seismic will induce torsion, weak/strong axis moment/shear in the joist were not considered in design. While the loads can be light, I've not seen much due diligence as far as confirming that there is a complete load path that won't fail the joists. In high seismic areas, the additional stresses induced in the joist could be significant.
With that said, here are my questions:
1) Can anyone help me understand if there's a good conventional practice for bracing pipe racks to joist supported roofs and how to determine when lateral loads become a concern? My thought is to eliminate these additional moments by adding kicker braces both parallel and perpendicular to the joists that are supported by an angle that spans between the top chord of the joist, which seems to be the quickest and least eccentric load path to the roof diaphragm. Is this a good approach? It adds a lot of steel, so this approach is drawing criticism; I'd like to be able to say that I'm following standard practice.
2) Is it okay practice to give the joist supplier these additional loads to design for? This can definitely be tough as the location of pipe racks doesn't seem to be known definitely up front; how are others addressing the loads induced in joists when the pipe racks aren't necessarily known?
3) Any good practice on determining when these loads can be ignored?
Thank you!
I frequently see mechanical details showing pipe support racks hanging off of steel joists, which concerns me as lateral loads such as seismic will induce torsion, weak/strong axis moment/shear in the joist were not considered in design. While the loads can be light, I've not seen much due diligence as far as confirming that there is a complete load path that won't fail the joists. In high seismic areas, the additional stresses induced in the joist could be significant.
With that said, here are my questions:
1) Can anyone help me understand if there's a good conventional practice for bracing pipe racks to joist supported roofs and how to determine when lateral loads become a concern? My thought is to eliminate these additional moments by adding kicker braces both parallel and perpendicular to the joists that are supported by an angle that spans between the top chord of the joist, which seems to be the quickest and least eccentric load path to the roof diaphragm. Is this a good approach? It adds a lot of steel, so this approach is drawing criticism; I'd like to be able to say that I'm following standard practice.
2) Is it okay practice to give the joist supplier these additional loads to design for? This can definitely be tough as the location of pipe racks doesn't seem to be known definitely up front; how are others addressing the loads induced in joists when the pipe racks aren't necessarily known?
3) Any good practice on determining when these loads can be ignored?
Thank you!