bookowski
Structural
- Aug 29, 2010
- 983
I'm not looking for how to calc wind loads or design a pergola. I'm wondering if anyone can point me to anything that clarifies what types of accessory structures are required to be designed to what level of loading.
Backstory is that I have an incredibly stupid design for a rooftop pergola frame. The designer developed the concept of an aluminum hss frame. It all needs to fit up an elevator and be assembled on the roof and they will not weld on site. So they wanted concealed hss moment connections. They are achieving this with thick cap plates on the hss (8x8) and access holes to bolt it up (it's like your worst nightmare of what an arch dreams up and thinks is ingenious). When I first saw this I told them over and over that this was going to result in a very heavy design. Now that they've digested what it looks like (a monstrosity with internal diaphragm/stiffener plates etc) they are asking what it's designed for, i explained that it's designed for wind. They asked a semi-reasonable question which is how I decided that this needs to be designed for the same level of performance as the building. Assuming this is a ductile failure and I can keep it from flying off the roof is there anything that clarifies what performance level such things must be designed for? What if they're ok with this thing yielding and flopping over after 75mph wind? I assume that if i buy a backayrd pergola at costco and it flops over in a hurricane I don't have much recourse - can I reasonably have similar "may flop over in high wind" language?
What if this was a rooftop sculpture and it was well anchored down but would go floppy at some non design level storm? The closest thing that I could think of that we deal with locally is large landscaping trees on rooftops. Owners on those projects choose if they want them to stay standing during a design event or they accept that they may flip over and the trunk is only restrained to ensure that it can't go far.
Backstory is that I have an incredibly stupid design for a rooftop pergola frame. The designer developed the concept of an aluminum hss frame. It all needs to fit up an elevator and be assembled on the roof and they will not weld on site. So they wanted concealed hss moment connections. They are achieving this with thick cap plates on the hss (8x8) and access holes to bolt it up (it's like your worst nightmare of what an arch dreams up and thinks is ingenious). When I first saw this I told them over and over that this was going to result in a very heavy design. Now that they've digested what it looks like (a monstrosity with internal diaphragm/stiffener plates etc) they are asking what it's designed for, i explained that it's designed for wind. They asked a semi-reasonable question which is how I decided that this needs to be designed for the same level of performance as the building. Assuming this is a ductile failure and I can keep it from flying off the roof is there anything that clarifies what performance level such things must be designed for? What if they're ok with this thing yielding and flopping over after 75mph wind? I assume that if i buy a backayrd pergola at costco and it flops over in a hurricane I don't have much recourse - can I reasonably have similar "may flop over in high wind" language?
What if this was a rooftop sculpture and it was well anchored down but would go floppy at some non design level storm? The closest thing that I could think of that we deal with locally is large landscaping trees on rooftops. Owners on those projects choose if they want them to stay standing during a design event or they accept that they may flip over and the trunk is only restrained to ensure that it can't go far.