EN 10204 3.2 certification for valves 2

[Sharikkhan]

Haii Guys....

I am doing one project "manuval valve package" and my client requirment is 3.2 for valves .We started to work on this project and now all valves are produced in one xyz compny.Now documentation part as per client requirement we provided the 3.2 certificates.But client came with descripancy as they want the mill (raw material) certificate in 3.2 .But our xyz manufacturer purcahsed material from his subvendors and that material certificate was in 3.1 .To meet the client requirements our xyz manufacturer called 3rd party inspector to witness the mechanical and chemical analysis test .Later TPI provided witness seal and signature on certificate and we submitted to Our client.

This is our current story...

I need your help to crack the client requiremnts....

Also advise me......

 

[gerhardl]

Best advice:
1. Aquire the latest issue of the complete text for EN 10204, regarding certification for valves.
2. Check that you have or can supply (yourself or by subsupplier) valves according to the given rules. Specifically check that necessary procedures, certifications and descriptions exists in your supplying plants.
3. Prepare a listed description on how you plan to document the specifications.
4. Check with your customer that your list covers his requirements. Check for unnecessary certificates and procedures as well as missing ones.

 

[micalbrch]

That is a typical misundertanding when somebody requires a 3.2 (or 3.1 or 2.2) certificate. The only standard where these certificate types are listed is the EN 10204. And this standard is specifically for metal products and refers to mill certificates. Many, many companies (even notable ones like Siemens) name their test certificate acc. to EN 10204. So, you can get a 2.1, a 2.2 or a 3.1 certificate for a Siemens motor but this is not a mill but a test certificate. You made the same mistake. Your Client requested a 3.2 certificate (= EN 10204, mill certificate) but you thought it is a test certificate with 3rd party testing. Hard to say what you can do now. All depends upon your client.

 

[gerhardl]

Perhaps this link could help?

http://www.lloydsregister.co.uk/Ima...rtification Factsheet rev 1_tcm240-249411.pdf

 

[reverman]

3.2 requires a third party inspection from either designated by the client (your customer)

By what I read you did the 3rd party inspection on your own which doesn't meet 3.2. So what you can try and do is get your client to approve the 3rd party inspection already done and then you will be able to mark the documents with 3.2.

To break down the levels of EN 10204 on a very basic level:

"2.1" Is a document from you that says "We made the thing that you asked for" often referred to as a certificate of conformance

"2.2" Is a document from you that says "We made the thing that you asked for and here are the results of some of the testing you asked for" This is still basically a CofC document but you might include something like dimensions you measured if the customer wanted them checked.

"3.1" (Formerly 3.1b) Is document that lists the results of the test along with the industry standard or regulation they meet. You also certify that the test was done by a inspection representative independent of manufacturing (typically the quality department in a normal ISO certified company). For valves this is typically what the CMTRs are for the pressure containing parts you list the ASTM standard , the test results, and its signed off by s quality inspector

"3.2" (Formerly 3.1c) is the same as 3.1 except this time on top of your company's quality department signing off on it a 3rd part inspector designated by the customer also signs off on it.

3.1, and 3.2 also require document traceability procedures in your quality program.

 

[hsbcn]

You can't convert a 3.1 into a 3.2 nor obtain a 3.2 after the manufacturing process is done. I'd suggest detailing the manufacturing procedures and test results as best as possible, and ask that the end user waive the 3.2 requirement.

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