Endorsement for IL SE

[epowers322]

I am currently a licensed SE in Illinois. I would like to get a Florida PE license. What is the best way to do so? Am I eligible for endorsement with my SE? Do I have to take a PE exam?

I may be missing it, but I cannot find any reference to the SE exam on FBPE.org.

 

[Ron]

Florida does not license by discipline, so that's why you can't find an SE reference. The SE should suffice for a Florida PE license. The SE exam is given in Florida.

 

[epowers322]

Thanks Ron!

I have some follow-up questions. I might have to just call the Florida Board for answers, but I thought somebody here might have experience.

The application asks for how many times you took the PE and EI. I took the FE twice (and passed it twice, but my transcript was lost the first time). I got a structural engineer intern license as a result of passing it the second time. I took the SE day 1: Vertical Forces twice, and the SE day 2: Horizontal Forces three times. I have not taken any PE exam. So would I put that I have taken the PE 0 times? Or 2, or 3?

Thanks!

 

[IRstuff]

an SE is a PE, so however number of times you took the SE is the number of times you took a PE.

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[epowers322]

I would argue that an SE is not a PE. If they were the same, I would have a PE license in Illinois and wouldn't have these questions.

I'm thinking that I might get an NCEES record, it may be worth the extra $175+.

 

[Ron]

To get the SE it took, at one time, two separate exams. My business partner took the SE1 and he was licensed as a PE in Florida. The SE2 would be supplementary to the PE and in my opinion, you would only have to designate one exam for the number of times you took the "PE".

 

[JedClampett]

About 35 years ago, I had the same general question. So I went and took the Illinois PE. I'm a pretty good test taker, so this wasn't a big burden. You would think that an SE is just another type of PE, but there's some real pinheads working in these state licensing departments. Try explaining something to them.
Even before that, I heard of guys getting their SE in Illinois, using that to get a PE in Indiana though reciprocity, then using that to get a PE back in Illinois. But they got wise to that.

 

[IRstuff]

"I would argue that an SE is not a PE."

Then why is there

https://fbpe.org/?s=structural

and why are SE exams shown on their website?

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[epowers322]

Thanks IRstuff! That's the reference to the SE exam that I was missing.

I still maintain that an SE is not a PE, but that may be because of my bias due to the licensing process in Illinois. I'm not eligible for a PE in Illinois because I only have experience under an SE, and I haven't taken a PE exam (which I hear is a breeze compared to the SE exam). It looks like if I do end up having to take a PE exam, it will be this fall at the earliest.

 

[IRstuff]

A PE is, by definition, a licensed engineer. If you are a licensed SE, then you are a PE, and can use the title "Engineer" and offer your professional services to the public.

6701. Professional engineer defined
“Professional engineer,” within the meaning and intent of this act, refers to a person engaged in the professional practice of rendering service or creative work requiring education, training and experience in engineering sciences and the application of special knowledge of the mathematical, physical and engineering sciences in such professional or creative work as consultation, investigation, evaluation, planning or design of public or private utilities, structures, machines, processes, circuits, buildings, equipment or projects, and supervision of construction for the purpose of securing compliance with specifications and design for any such work.

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[metengr]

If you are a licensed SE, then you are a PE, and can use the title "Engineer" and offer your professional services to the public.

Not in Illinois. A PE is separate license and an SE is a separate license.

epowers322;
Please check with the Board for any and all questions.

 

[epowers322]

I was under the impression that all PEs are licensed engineers, but not all licensed engineers are PEs. Some licensed engineers are SEs, and all SEs are licensed engineers. All licensed engineers can use the title "Engineer" and offer professional services to the public, only licensed structural engineers can use the title "Structural Engineer". I think it's really just a matter of semantics, but it is definitely an important distinction in Illinois, where Professional engineering practice specifically excludes structures defined under the Structural Engineering Practice Act.

http://www.idfpr.com/forms/DPR/Design_Code_Manual.pdf[/URL]]
Illinois Structural Engineering Licensing Act
Structural engineers cannot practice professional engineering or land surveying in
Illinois unless licensed as a professional engineer or land surveyor in Illinois. Structural
engineers can practice architecture, when properly qualified to do so, but may not use
the title “architect.”

It seems to be an irrelevant distinction in other states, so it sounds like I should be fine to get a PE by endorsement.