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Engine Inventions, variable valve lift and timing, rotary concept, and big bang six.

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SethCotton

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Feb 17, 2014
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Hello, My name is Seth Cotton.

I am a self taught design engineer with a work history in packaging engineering.
I have been working on some various designs for several years and posted some youtube videos as a form of prior art and to open discussions with companies and with the brilliant people found in forums like this.

So I was working on this variable valve lift and timing system and unfortunately there seems to be an extremely similar system patented in 2002. My questions relate to the differences between the systems and their functions. Why was the original system not put into production and does my system supersede the design patented.
Linked is the youtube video showing my concept.

As you can see the variable lift and valve timing are locked together in a preset ratio. As described in the video, these ratios can be altered by component dimensions and allowed travel of the rocker shaft.

Linked if the patent in question.

As you can see the basic concept is very similar, however there are some major differences in how these two systems go about achieving the desired functions. I cant tell you how frustrating it is to spend so much time designing something like this only to find someone has already patented something so similar.

The next design in question is a type of rotary/radial engine concept I cam up with. The real design challenges here are with rotor sealing and I believe I have solved using apex seals. However the motor will most likely burn a bit of oil, any tips on how to control this would be greatly appreciated. The main concept which I believe to be new, is to rotate the cylinder around the crank/eccentric shaft in the same direction of rotation. I am using a 3:1 planetary gear system to accomplish this in an attempt to create a longer dwell time during combustion events as opposed to a fixed cylinder engine. I have been hotly debating this with an engineer friend, not sure which one of us is correct yet but the concept is interesting. I did talk to a BMW engineer about this concept and he seemed interested in using it for a range extender for electric vehicles although nothing has come of it yet.
Linked is a youtube video.
In this video the intake port is on the bottom of the engine and the exhaust port is on the top although he engine could easily be flipped over, the spark plug(s) would always be in the central area of the housing opposing the ports.
What I am seeing here is a 1/3rd slower combustion stroke, a 1/3rd faster exhaust stroke, a 1/3rd slower intake stroke and a 1/3rd faster compression stroke in comparison to a conventional fixed cylinder engine. It also seems to apply some force to the rotor (Not shown in the video) on the leading edge of the cylinder as it crosses the exhaust port. The residual pressure from the combustion event would push its way out between the leading edge of the cylinder and the approaching edge of the exhaust port.
You could use a conventional crank and con rod setup for this design as well.

Last design is a concept that harks back to the "Big bang" Dual cylinder firing motorcycle engines used in moto gp only with a balanced firing order using a straight six design. Its not a mirror image crankshaft like a bmw wherein journals 1&6, 2&5, and 3&4 are paired because I was worried about distributing the forces evenly over the crankshaft, as well as vibrations. I chose to make journals 1&4, 2&5, and 3&6 pairs on the crankshaft to better distribute the load, my question on this crankshaft design is in regard to the possible torsional vibrations generated by the "screw" like nature of the crankshaft and if these vibrations would be present or difficult to dampen.

I could go on for about five pages on each one of these concepts pros and cons ect. I feel that simply showing the design concepts and opening the discussion to be easier on your eyes and brain.
I am open to criticism, thoughts, and advice.

Thanks,
Seth Cotton
 
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Well, it's all public domain now.
Thanks.


Mike Halloran
Pembroke Pines, FL, USA
 
Mike, I have one year to patent these concepts as these video's do constitute Prior art. Take a look into what constitutes as prior art. My videos simply mean no one else can ever patent the concepts as it is public domain.
At any rate, I am more interested in discussing the concepts rather than the legal aspects. However, if your so enthralled with my concepts I am looking for companies to work with/for (hope I am not breaking forum rules here)

Greg, I see what your saying with the 4-3-5 in single fire mode. This would only be an idle state and is intended to help turbo spool or to use the compression as a sort of hybrid air system. You could use it to pressurize an air tank to reuse at idle so you would only need to fire the engine maybe 2/3rds of the time, and use the compressed air to keep the engine at speed. I find the idle state to be stupid, burning fuel to do nothing but turn accessories, likewise, cylinder shutoff although having its benefits also ends up moving allot of parts for basically no benefit.
It might be that at no load conditions this would not be such an issue? I will think about other possible firing orders...
 
Seth,

If you believe that your ideas have value and you haven't already done so, talk to an IP lawyer now. A one year grace period, for example, doesn't apply in an awful lot of the western world. Once you've disclosed, no-one can patent, including you - but someone could patent a non-obvious extension that turns out to be required to make the engine work in practice.

Regards,

Matt
 
Seth - I am afraid that although your variable valve concept is very likely workable (or could be made workable) it is not really "novel". It belongs to the general class of VVT systems known as "oscillating cam" - there are literally hundreds (if not literally thousands) of examples in the USPTO files alone. And there are already at least four car makers using "oscillating cam" systems in production cars - Valvetronic being probably the main one. If you are going to invent a VVT system that will interest big companies it will have to be something really new - and even then - don't hold your breath. Oscillating systems in general have the fault of having linked duration and lift - separately adjustable is more desirable. There are really only a few feasible methods of implementing VVT - this Wiki article pretty much covers them:
If you want to invent a VVT system that will interest a company it will need to be not one of the above.

As for the rotary engine - I would personally avoid any sealing system the wasn't the traditional piston-in-cylinder layout. Also remember that a lot of WW1 planes had "rotary" engines - stationary crankshaft/rotating cylinders and pistons etc. These were actually true rotary engines where the pistons did not actually undergo accelerations etc. (even though they looked very much like a "radial" engine) - and thus were notably very smooth running - but they had a lot of bad features as well - but I think there is a vague possibility that a useful rotary engine of this type could be invented/designed.
 
Seth, you mentioned trying to extend "dwell time" during combustion. What do you mean by this? Keep in mind that the quickest burn with the quickest expansion is the most efficient with respect to heat loss to the cooling system. Heat flow out of the chamber into the walls is on the order of 500KW/cm^2 at peak temperatures. Fortunately, this is during very short intervals.
 
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