Engineering Graphics and Drawing 10

[seyozen]

I need "Mechanical Engineering- Graphics and Drawing(or equivalent courses) Syllabii of the following universities. I need especially course objectives. Anyone help me plz.? (I couldn't find it from web sites)

1 Massachusetts Institute of Technology
2 Stanford University
3 University of California, Berkeley
4 University of Cambridge
5 California Institute of Technology

 

[Ron]

Those are not courses you'll likely find in an engineering curriculum anymore. At one time, yes. Now those are relegated to community college specialization in CAD/CAM.

 

[seyozen]

Thanks Ron,
indeed i had found thisbefore. That's why i'm complicated.

 

[dhengr]

“Engineering Graphics and Drawing,” what the heck is that, you mean CAD don’t you? You couldn’t give the former away today. There are a few dozen older (not young in years of engineering experience) people who post here who have ever heard those four words in that phrase, and also taken that course in college. Many of the people here could barley draw a rectangular block in three views plus a simple perspective, by hand, let alone anything more complicated without their CAD program. And, CAD can even draw things that can’t be built, and they don’t even realize or know it. Our graphics instructor didn’t grade that very highly. The thought process of conceptualizing, sketching, spacial relationships and mental imagination are so tied up in the computer doing that thinking and expressive process, that if they didn’t have CAD, they couldn’t function or communicate their engineering thoughts or products. That whole process is a lost art, you say not even the web knows about it any longer. I’d buy an old book on the subject, and look at the table of contents.

 

[hydtools]

As part of my college training I was required to buy a portable board, t-square, protractor, a few sliding triangles, compass, pencils and pencil sharpening file. A step up was the mechanical pencil.
Like this:

http://www.ivgstores.com/IVG2/Y/ProductID-94559-.htm

CAD was a guy with poor manners. What computer?

Ted

 

[dhengr]

Hydtools:
If that’s your definition of CAD, you ain’t no spring chicken, and may well be one of those few dozen remaining who actually took that class and can still post here.

 

[cloa]

Why not just email and or call the universities ? The public relations or engineering departments might find the information if your total request seems reasonable.

 

[arunmrao]

We need to rethink our teaching methods. graphics was subject, I was never exposed to in my college education.It was purely engineering drawing,using a drawing board and T square(no drafter era). However, now in 1st semester of college,Graphics is taught with low emphasis on engineering drawing. rationale being,it is no longer relevant to teach engineering drawing in virtual age.

When these students come out into the real world,with no training to visualise ,they are in a mess. It is imperative,that they are given the training in engineering drawing exhaustively, so that they they use all the advanced soft ware tools effectively in their professional lives. Is this utopian?

 

[vpl]

I think the next question is: Why do you need the sylabuses (sylabii??)and course objectives from all these universities? You can't go to all of them at once... and I believe you might be posting from outside the United States.


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[Yagonyonok]

When I was in school they had a similar course (graduated in 2007). It was really just an intro to the CAD package that you would be using on all of your projects for the next 4 years. There was nothing about producing a 2D drawing, let alone how to produce a quality drawing.

Use of system voids warranty.

 

[aafuni]

seyozen,
Just go to the schools web sites. All of these schools have complete course listings available online. Like most people are saying engineering programs typically don't offer courses in 2D drawing. Sometimes if you look at the engineering tech course listings you can find some GD&T courses that cover some more of the drawing principles. That was how RIT does it, MEs just learn a particular CAD package while the METech program offered some of the more basic drawing principles.

 

[moon161]

I took it at RIT, tail end of the drafting machine age, my only A at the school. If you're starting school, take it at a CC over the summer sometime. Good training for your mind, and your hands if they make you pick up a pencil.

Obscure at university, certainly not required. Surveying is similar, easier to find at community college or technical high school.

When at HVCC I cross registered for a course at RPI. At HVCC surveying meant bunches of Civvies around the quad, buckets of stakes, contemporary laser transits & poles. At RPI: 3 guys w/ antique equipment doing it as an independant study.

I think my dad had to take surveying when he transferred to EE from physics at CU, '61 or so.

 

[aafuni]

moon,
You from the capitol district area of NY?

And yeah I forgot that option, community schools or trade schools often still teach drawing. It's funny how sometimes you get more options at the cheaper schools.

 

[seyozen]

@vpl
yes i'm posting from outside the United States.

Thanks guys for your attention.
The course seems so different in the US by comparison Europe.
But i think it still hasn't a common standard. A research shows the case In 2004,(Turkey National Engineering Congress)

The US and EU(universities that accredited by ABET)
only Eng.Dwg.: %33
Eng.Dwg.& CAD: %39
only CAD: %28

I have no idea for 2010 and i'd just like to learn this.

And second question:
You m.engineers, can you read a technical drawing paper exactly?

Also some schools doestn't have such courses...
anyone graduated from?

 

[dgallup]

I graduated with a BSME over 30 years ago. We had to take one course in drawing, projection views, etc. Nothing about dimensioning, drawing standards, reading drawings. Even then it was mostly taught by trade schools, not universities. The engineers just picked it up as you went along once you got into industry.

 

[Ron]

I'll reiterate....at one time, engineering drawing was a part of the engineering curriculum. That is no longer the case. I have experience in the curriculi from long ago (1976 graduate), when engineering drawing/drafting/design was still a part (though small) of the curriculum.

Fast forward 30 years.....I've been involved in recommending college curricula as a former instructor and a continuing member of advisory councils for university applications....we do not "waste" time in the curricula for such fundamentals....that is left to the "technicians" not the engineers. Fundamentally, there should still be coursework in this area, as it is necessary for engineers to understand drawings; however, there is little room in a prescribed engineering curriculum for such. It has simply become an elective that few will elect.

Blame it on the accreditation process!!

 

[rmw]

Sad.

The young CADD literate jocks marvel when I can sit down with a piece of paper and free hand 3 views of something that has to be cut, assembled, welded, etc that a shop can actually build from.

They can do it on CADD, but I can't.

rmw

 

[arunmrao]

rmw, Many patternmakers and machinists in India cannot write in English,but they can read 2D drawings very well and have excellent 3D visualization capabilities. Also they can conceptualize on assembly drawings. I always admire their skills.

 

[MikeHalloran]

I have the same non-problem with Cuban machinists and tradesmen here in SoFla. I can't converse with them verbally, but a decent drawing allows them to understand what I want, and sketching and a little arm-waving helps us to resolve the occasional stupid mistake that I make.



Mike Halloran
Pembroke Pines, FL, USA

 

[gadkinsj]

It boggles my mind that Engineers are expected to be the Engineer, the Designer, and the Draftsman yet I had little to no training on the latter 2. I think that fundamentally Engineering is the application of science to industry. Design and drafting is the application of art to industry. When you expect the same person to bring both of these perspectives to the table, you get things like the Pontiac Aztec. Brilliant piece of engineering that is a disastrous work of art.