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Engineering Job Situation in Canada

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knji

Electrical
Jun 27, 2004
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CA
First, I want to apologize for bringing up this topic as it has already been discussed several times in previous threads. However, I decided to start a new one given the unique circumstances that define my problem and what my approach has been.

I am just completing a MSc in Electrical and Control Engineering. I currently work as a Technical Analyst at a big IT firm in town, a position I have held since completing my undergraduate degree.

I am now looking for jobs in Instrumentation and Control and unsurprisingly to lack the experience needed. I have realized that most jobs in I&C require some degree of PLC programming so I decided to start reading books on the subject. I also though of buying a cheap plc and setting up a little 'factory' in my house as suggested in one post but budgetary constraints is setting me back.

I'll admit though leaving Regina to a place like Calgary, AB would increase my chances of getting an interview. However, i have a family to feed and do not want to run the risk of relocating only to find myself unable to cater to the needs of my little one when savings run dry given that it does take a while to get a job.

My job search strategy has been as follows:

- Sent my resume to friends to distribute when they see an opportunity.
- Visited a gov't website ( that list all companies, visiting these company websites and sending my resume for any open positions listed. Problem I face again though is my lack of immediate experience.
- Seriously considering taking the bull by the horn and relocating to Calgary AB, next year.
- Listing my MSc on my resume for how do I account for the 2.5 years if it deliberately ommitted?

I have also read comments on tailoring one's resume and cover letter to the job requirements but what does one do with such limited experience? I HAVE to find a way of circumventing the famous catch 22. I have to find a way of telling the people making these decisions that I am willing to take on any challenge? I know the HR person must have heard or read this one before. Nonetheless, how do I snag the attention of these hiring managers with a limited work experience? After putting myself on the otherside of the fence I realize that something out of the ordinary must be done for a candidate with my profile to get that interview.

I have also considered making my cover letters in point form. First line telling them what position I am applying for, second paragraph in point form listing what I can offer in relation to the job and last paragraph for contact. The downside of this is that I do not potray my communication skills but the upside is the short and concise form of the letter. Is this a good strategy?

What else can I do to get this first interview? Adding to my arsenal will be a strategy on calling as many companies as possible to make appointments with those who make the decision but again there is the task of bypassing the receptionist to get these contacts. They always ask if one has an appointment so I have to come up with a strategy. Any recommendations?

Most of my friends got their first jobs through networking. Unfortunately, I do not have the kinds of network resources they have for I also did not go through co-op. Nevertheless, I'm starting to make a list of all my friends, classmates, etc and tracking these guys (girls) down for leads. They say it is whom you know especially for that first job and with limited experience.

If is definitely obvious that I have to do something dramatic to get that interview. Relocating is a good start but there must be something else I can do in the meantime. To make this process fun, I am treating it as an engineering problem that needs a cheap and fast solution!

What recommendations do you have? Thanks for reading and again I apologize for the long rambling.

TIA.

Klaus
 
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Hi Again knji:

I just had another thought: instead of buying a PLC and trying to teach yourself, why not simply take a course at the nearest community college?

Best of luck!
 
If you live in Regina you can easily apply for jobs all over western Canada online. Companies will conduct phone interviews or fly you out for interviews. Also many companies post through the University in Regina and come to campus to interview. Also your prof should be able to give you some good contacts.

People that are hiring new grads do not expect you to have experience they will be willing to train you.

So basically I would recommend going to the Job/ Career Center at the University in Regina and go from there. I will also bet the the Career Center will give you better tips on your cover letter and resume than most on this technical website.
 
"I have also considered making my cover letters in point form. First line telling them what position I am applying for, second paragraph in point form listing what I can offer in relation to the job and last paragraph for contact. The downside of this is that I do not potray my communication skills but the upside is the short and concise form of the letter. Is this a good strategy? "

If the job advert is written in point form, then answer it in point form. That got me one good job because the senior engineer was a spec driven systems engineer.




Cheers

Greg Locock
 
Lonrenz,

Thanks for the advice. I'll like to hang on to my current job but it is infact a Help Desk analyst position. I sincerely believe that with my credentials, I should be able to do better. CGI is a good IT firm but again, my expertise and passion really lies in Instrumentation and Controls although I have a working knowledge of technical support.

Many CS graduates have been through our helpdesk to other positions within the company. There always seem to be CS grads in the Help Desk and these folks will first be given the chance for advancement which makes sense.

I have to agree the Engineering is not as promising as it was when I started school but it will not feel right simply discarding 7 years of university education. I'm sincerely hoping that I can get a job within I&C for this is where my passion and strength lies.

Thanks again.

Klaus
 
QCE,

I'm applying for jobs all over Western Canada. Again, I am aware of the realities out there. AB and BC have good schools and there are also a bunch of recent grads like myself in these provinces looking for jobs. They are in a relatively better postion in terms of location and the odds work in their favour.

Nevertheless, this does not deter me. I have to step up my efforts a notch. The biggest problem I face is getting that first interview. I'll definitely talk to my prof and see if he has any leads. I visit the U of R job board on a regular basis and submit my application to thoes that fit my profile. Again, these efforts have been in vain.

I will take my resume again to the Career Center for critique. The last time I took my resume there, the office said it was very good. However, I'll have to get some more tips on cover letters.


Lorenz:

I also thought of taking a PLC course at SIAST the local community college located in Moose Jaw but cannot do so at this time. School, Help Desk, Janitorial duties and family are already too much right now. When I complete my MSc, I will definitely start taking a PLC course.


Greg:

Thanks for the advice. I submit a point form cover letter irrespective of the format the job advert is written in. Looking at it from an HR perspective a point form cover letter is easier to glance through and gets straight to the point. I may be wrong here but again, it is just an observation. I will definitely go to the Career Center at the University for more advice.

Thanks again.

Klaus
 
Klaus,

All of the young engineers in western Canada that I know that were looking for work 6 monthes ago are all currently working. The job situation is very good. I have faith that you also will be working in the next 6 monthes. Just hang in there.

QCE
 
Klaus:

Whatever you do don't come to Toronto, or go to Montreal or Vancouver. The markets for Engineers in those areas are over saturated and it shows in the compensation packages.

Best of luck in your search!
Dave
 
The big cities in Canada are tough places to get jobs for EITs but it seems to be fairly easy for experienced engineers. At least that is my expereince. Most young engineers I know put in their time in the field in small centers and then move to larger centers to work once they receive their PENG. I don't see a problem with this. Plus field experience never hurt anyone.
 
Dave,

I'm thinking more along the lines of Alberta for it is closer and will be cheaper in terms of relocation cost.

I am directing alot of my efforts now into networking than blindly submitting online job ads. It is evident that where skills and experience and not a DIRECT FIT, chances of getting a interview are slim. This is completely understandable given the number of applicants HRs have to go through for every single position.

Klaus

 
QCE (electrical),

Re: jobs for new grads - does your post apply to Civils.
I know a grad that was looking two years ago - nothing.
He is now going back to get a degree in education!
You can get pretty cynical about engineering after two years of nothing.
 
Actually I have 2 good friends that just graduated in civil from the U of S in Sept 03 and both of them are working as Civil Engineers. One for the city and one for a construction company. They both seem to be doing fine. Obviously this is not a very big sample.
 
Klaus,

Moving to Calgary might not solve your problem. Perhaps there are more opportunities here relative to Regina, but in absolute terms, I don't find that Calgary is big enough in assembly/manufacturing/automation to be promising. I saw much more of that in Ontario (despite Dporte17's assertion). The Strategis website is a good starting point, but the list is nowhere near comprehensive. I can think of a few companies that might have openings that match your qualifications. Sorry, none are near Regina.
E-mail me sparweb@hotmail.com

Maybe I didn't read your original post thoroughly enough, but have you tried any recruiting agencies? There are many that specialize in technical people. Maybe you'll only get temporary work, but even that build some experience that can land you a better permanent spot.


Steven Fahey, CET
"Simplicate, and add more lightness" - Bill Stout
 
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