Finglow 5

[jasmine5500]

Hi guys,

Does any one know where I can acquire Finglow pressure vessel software for an urgent project?

Many thanks,
Jasmine.

 

[LSThill]

Google search for Finglow pressure vessel

http://www.finglow.co.uk

http://www.finglow.co.uk/software/pages/quotation.htm

 

[LSThill]

jasmine5500 (Mechanical)

Why Finglow pressure vessel software? Is this a Project or client requirement?

 

[jasmine5500]

Hi,

It's what I have used in a previous job. I need it for a project at work. They don't have Finglow. Nor will they by it! I need it for checking calcs (unofficially, without anyone knowing!)

Any ideas where I can get it?
I can get PVElite easy enough but I've never used it.

Cheers
Jasmine.

 

[LSThill]

jasmine5500 (Mechanical)

meeting the client requirement specification BS PD5500, for checking the nozzle loads is the requirement.

Opotion for PRG Nozzle Pro, report included BS PD5500.

If you need additional detail contact me search google.com Leonard Stephen Thill




L S THILL

 

[jasmine5500]

Hi Leonard,

I need Finglow because that's what I know indside out.
Any ides much appreciated.
I've searched high and low.
Cheers,
Jasmine.

 

[TomBarsh]

Can't you contact the software publisher at the website LSThill gave you? I'm sure they will be happy to sell or rent the software?

I see they even offer daily and weekly rental.

 

[jasmine5500]

Hi,
Thanks for that. Yes, I could ask them direct but I need an unoficial copy for now, at least the next couple of months. The new company I work for have just set up a new IT system and it'll be a long while before I get a legit copy to use. I need access on an unofficial laptop.

Cheers,
Jasmine.

 

[vpl]

Jamine

It's hard to write this so it doesn't come out harsh -- but it sounds like you're wanting for someone to give you a bootleg copy. That's illegal and unethical.

If you really need it, ask your company for it.



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[jasmine5500]

Hi Patricia,

Yes, I suppose on that note I ought to press the company for a rental copy, or some other legal way.

Sorry to offend you.
Regards,
Jasmine.

 

[LSThill]

Other Option for checking vendor submittal required BS5500 FPSO /LNG FPSO

Nozzle/PRO Features:
• Nozzle/PRO technology is a significant improvement over the limitations inherent in WRC 107/297
methods.
• Nozzle/PRO automates the finite element process, unlike general-purpose FEA programs.
• Templates eliminate users need for advanced FEA experience in constructing model mesh.
• SIFs, allowable loads, and flexibilities are calculated automatically for straight, repad or barrel nozzle
models.
• NozzlePRO Flexibilities greatly improve beam-type piping analysis (See WRC 329.)
• Users are no longer limited by B31 SIF and flexibility limits on D/T. (See notes to B31.3 Appendix D)
• NozzlePRO calculations include the correct evaluation of stresses at intersections due to
pressure/thrust, linear temperature gradients and reinforcing pads
• Automatic fatigue calculations are made for both piping and vessel codes
• Fatigue analysis includes a calculation for maximum allowed cycles and includes fatigue analysis
according to BS5500, EN13445, ASME and WRC 474.
• 2DSteady state and transient heat transfer analysis of selected head models.
• Automatic head intersections and skirts brick models can be generated to evaluate overturning
moments due to wind or seismic loads
• Saddle wizard with pipe shoe options for repads, fluid head, tapered saddles, and user controlled
boundary conditions.
• Tabular and graphical reports are produced in html
• DirectX graphics show animated models for each load case and code stress category.
• Diameters, thickness and model type are the only required inputs to generate models Input of
pressure and external loads generates ASME Section VIII Division 2 primary, secondary and peak
stress analysis
• Batch run options
• Automatic convergence features
• Interface with MatPRO for automatic material property look-up.

 

[DSB123]

LSThill,
Yet again you come up trumps by not directly answering the original question and promoting PRG software which I beleive is against the Forum policy. Nowhere in the posts has Jasmine5500 stated that PD5500 is the designated Code and for that matter specifics such as nozzle load checking has not been mentioned by jasmine5500 so why promote NozzlePro. Also please be accurate in specifying Codes as it is most important. There is no such Code as BS PD 5500 - the actual title is PD 5500 without the BS.

 

[LSThill]

PD5500 (British code, formerly BS5500).

 

[DSB123]

Correct!! But not BS PD 5500 as previously quoted

 

[4Pipes]

Jasmine,

Sounds like not an uncommon situation. A supplier has submitted a calculation. Somebody more "senior" has accepted it, has been leaned on to accept it or project management is asking you to accept it. You are not happy with calculation but need something more concrete than gut feel.

Think about it from the PMs point of view. The calculation is probably 500 pages long with several pages for each nozzle - even those of the same size and not carrying external load. "Geez, a 500 page calculation must be perfect in every way - I am not going to buy software or pay for your hours to repeat calculations done by such another qualified party".

That might be the case in PM hyperspace. I have spent several thousand $ for resources to prove or disprove such situations and to avoid opinion based arguments.

You have several options
a) Accept the calculation but make sure your acceptance is qualified to cover your butt. Not the most ethical but definitely the best way to maintain your career and avoid making enemies
b) Do enough manual calculations to convince yourself either way. Find somebody who believes you and give that person a big part in the argument.
c) Purchase software for a month. The outcome could be the same as b) ie. Sidelined/sacked for rocking the boat AND spending your own money.
d) Probably the best legit software approach is to convince a supplier that you will purchase and get a month trial.
e) I wouldn't recommend dodgy copies of software. Folk do use them but you cannot rely on the output. You definitely could not publically use the output to support your argument. Neither could you use your calculations as part of your defense if you are sued or if you claimed unfair dismissal.

Maybe a cynical approach but such is life.

 

[LSThill]

4Pipes (Mechanical), I agree with you 100%; Also,


1. The SUPPPPLIER shall ensure that computer software, when used or developed in conjunction with PO, performs its intended specific functions in relation to the delivery of the items. Work processes involving such software must be developed and implemented using national or international consensus standards, such as IEEE Std 730, that provide an adequate level of quality assurance.

2. Software quality assurance (SQA) includes activities such as:


• Software project management and quality planning;
• Software risk management;
• Software configuration control;
• Software procurement and supplier management;
• Software requirements identification and management;
• Software design and implementation;
• Software safety;
• Software verification and validation;
• Software problem reporting and corrective action; and
• Training of personnel in the design, development, use, and evaluation of software.

3. The SUPPPLIES shall establish and implement a SQA procedure for defining and controlling SQA activities relevant to the PO.

4. The SUPPPLIES shall submit the SQA procedure to the BUYER for review and acceptance prior to PO implementation.

 

[JohnGP]

Now we are going off the deep end!

I think 4pipes may have been closer to the mark. I have regularly checked vendor prepared calculations by using spreadsheets and Mathcad worksheets I've developed for various parts of codes. The object not to present a full blown calculation, but to check that the numbers are in broad agreement with the vendor's. (They do sometimes make mistakes.) If there is a noticeable variance, then I will delve more deeply into that section of their calc to see what gives (mine are perfect of course!)

Jasmine5500, if you can get PVElite easily enough, then why not - it's not that difficult to get a handle on, and if you are just checking the calculations by others, then what's the harm. Another arrow in the quiver, as it were, once you become proficient. If your need was urgent a month ago, then all this advice is probably far to late anyway.

Cheers,
John