General Motors switching to Catia V5?

[jackley]

I heard this through the grape vine and wanted to see if others have heard the same.

With Chrysler switching to NX for all Fiat programs and now GM switching to Catia V5.

Justin
Designer

 

[jackley]

Yea, we got word yesterday that it's official for Chrysler. Also Toyota is switching to Pro-Engineer is pretty big.


Justin
Designer

 

[UGoverALL]

Toyota is switching to Pro/Engineer??
mmmhhhh
I suggest to check the source of the rumor...
Toyota is using Pro/E for Powertrain for a long time.


Beppe Grimaldi
SISW Italy

 

[ingallspw]

No wonder Toyota has problems!

(Sorry a cheap shot at ProE not Toyota)

 

[UGoverALL]

PS.
Why do you think GM should evaluate Catia V5, and not V6, while V6 was announced 2 years ago?


Beppe Grimaldi
SISW Italy

 

[jackley]

When I posted this, I had heard V5. But I have since heard it was V6. Then I was also told that they evaluate cad packages a lot.

Justin
Designer

 

[JohnRBaker]

Why do you think GM should evaluate Catia V5, and not V6, while V6 was announced 2 years ago?

And in those 2 years, how many major companies have actually put V6 into production?

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To an Engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.

 

[jackley]

I don't know of anyone that has V6 in production. Is there?

Justin
Designer

 

[wmalan]

Interesting dilemma about cadcam versions and suppliers that really hits the cam users...

On the one hand large corporations must stay (for a variety of reasons) many times 2-3 versions behind. Primary manufacturing suppliers are required to be using that older version as their primary data source. But almost without exception, we then use as close to the latest version because it has the better features to get the work out faster. The only exception is when the client wants the source files back for in-house use.

On the cam side, I think my point is that while large companies are the bread & butter for total seats sold, the small companies are the early adopters of the new versions. Large users tend to have a whole department assigned to finding out if new versions support all the older in-house processes. The smaller ones jump on and enjoy the ride.

--
Bill

 

[UGoverALL]

@John...
No one in Italy.
I know Renault is piloting it.
The "v6" in production are nothing more than Matrix, renamed Enovia V6.


Beppe Grimaldi
SISW Italy

 

[FXjohn]

John Baker, what did you think of the comments left in the article dissing teamcenter?

 

[JohnRBaker]

I work in the NX group, NOT TeamCenter.

John R. Baker, P.E.
Product 'Evangelist'
Product Design Solutions
Siemens PLM Software Inc.
Industry Sector
Cypress, CA

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http://www.plmworld.org/museum/

To an Engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.

 

[JohnRBaker]

I guess this mmkes it even more official:

http://www.media.chrysler.com/newsr...3572B7E5BADBA980841766074D46F4?&id=9835&mid=2

BTW, we also have a press release of our own, but figured the above one would be a more interesting read, under the circumstances ;-)

John R. Baker, P.E.
Product 'Evangelist'
Product Design Solutions
Siemens PLM Software Inc.
Industry Sector
Cypress, CA

http://www.siemens.com/plm

http://www.plmworld.org/museum/

To an Engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.

 

[Rob_N]

I've been getting NX from Chrysler for awhile now( well 4 parts so far).. all Dumb solids, My guess is its translated in.

 

[UGoverALL]

It's typical during a CAD change that parts are "dumb" solids...
it tooks years because all parts become parametric.

Beppe Grimaldi
SISW Italy

 

[Rob_N]

Unless things are "different" for larger purchases I can't see show Catia can compete with NX price wise. Unless of course they stick it to the little guys who have no choice but to keep up with what the big 3 are using...

Many years ago we bought 2 seats of UG v15 (ADVDES bundles)@ $17,900 a seat and last I checked our Maintenance was around $2500/yr per seat... And as most NX users know maintenance includes software updates, tech support and access to GTAC.

I cannot remember when we got Catia v5, Maybe 2002, A new customer required we have it onsite. Translations were getting costly and it was time for the other user to move on from Camax Camand anyways... It was $33,000 for a HD2 (Hybrid Design), I believe they discounted it to $25,000. HD2 pretty much had same tools as we had with UG... Maintenance for that was $3300/yr for software updates alone... No tech support included. If you wanted that, you paid extra to a 3rd party.

 

[JohnRBaker]

Besides, if I wanted to start some 'rumors' of my own I could list several big name Catia users who are currently looking at NX...

Some news:

http://www.businesswire.com/news/ho...s-CAD-Software-Siemens-Platform-Worldwide-Car

John R. Baker, P.E.
Product 'Evangelist'
Product Design Solutions
Siemens PLM Software Inc.
Industry Sector
Cypress, CA

http://www.siemens.com/plm

http://www.plmworld.org/museum/

To an Engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.

 

[jackley]

Just heard GM is switching to NX 7.5 in May. I guess it's a good thing they aren't switching to V5.

Can't wait.

Justin
Designer

 

[Rob_N]

My employers are not going to like that, LOL... 2+ years of back maintenance to catch up on...

 

[JChurch77]

Nice! Are they hiring?