Goulds Pump data 1

[BigInch]

Just finished looking for some Goulds pump data, the 3196 being discussed in another thread.

Went to the Goulds website and was told to download some pump selection active x program. OK.

Had to register. OK, filled in all that stuff. At least a 10 character user name. Finally.
Had to login. OK logged in.

I downloaded the PSS component and started it up. Couldn't find any pump curves. It asked for all the data needed to make a pump selection. I filled in a bunch, should be enough to get the curve... I thought. Still no curve apparent anywhere, nor any method to simply find a curve for an already existing pump that doesn't need to be selected. I found the whole "selection" process so inconvenient that I wrote to the support group and told them that I would not specify a single Goulds pump until they improved the access to pump curve data.

Still don't have the curve data.

What were they thinking?

"If everything seems under control, you're just not moving fast enough."
- Mario Andretti- When asked about transient hydraulics

http://virtualpipeline.spaces.msn.com

 

[eyec]

http://www.gouldspumps.com/pump_3196.html

Steven C
Senior Member
ThirdPartyInspections.com

 

[BigInch]

I looked at that page. OK. I give up. Where's the curve?

"If everything seems under control, you're just not moving fast enough."
- Mario Andretti- When asked about transient hydraulics

http://virtualpipeline.spaces.msn.com

 

[Artisi]

BigInch

Agree with your comments re Goulds - cumbersome and if you just want a standard curve for an existing pump or the family to check an installation or selection it is useless.
Unless we are missing something in using their site.

 

[eyec]

granted their selection process is not that great but when you enter your data be sure to check the NEAR MISS box and it will pull up the pump then click on the CURVES tab on the upper right and it gives you the curves

it then gives you the option to save the file as a PDF. the attached is a quick sample i just entered bogus data to see how it worked.

Steven C
Senior Member
ThirdPartyInspections.com

 

[BigInch]

Thanks Steve!

I'm still not specing Goulds until they make that software smarter than me.

"If everything seems under control, you're just not moving fast enough."
- Mario Andretti- When asked about transient hydraulics

http://virtualpipeline.spaces.msn.com

 

[eyec]

an alternative would be to call their local distributor and have them provide the curves.

distributors have an internal link to Goulds and they use it every day, so make them earn their keep and provide you the curves.

Steven C
Senior Member
ThirdPartyInspections.com

 

[BigInch]

I'm still not buying a pump, so its a waste of time, mine and theirs. I know they probably see it as a method for generating sales, but in this case they're wrong. Its only a waste of time for them.

I really like having the data I need easily available on the internet. No fuss, no muss, no waste of anyone's time. Solve the problem and get on to the next one.

"If everything seems under control, you're just not moving fast enough."
- Mario Andretti- When asked about transient hydraulics

http://virtualpipeline.spaces.msn.com

 

[moltenmetal]

So what you're telling me is that room full of old paper catalogs shouldn't head straight for the recycle bin just yet?

We've found some vendors with great on-line resources- and others that seem to have forgotten about fully 1/2 of their product lines if you were to look at their websites only.

So we keep the paper, for now...

 

[BigInch]

They sent me a work around for the program; you go to the last page and click "add" or something or other and it shows you the curves. I'd never have figured it out myself in less than a week.

I guess I just have a problem being forced to use selection software in order to get access to a curve for a pump that was selected years ago.

"If everything seems under control, you're just not moving fast enough."
- Mario Andretti- When asked about transient hydraulics

http://virtualpipeline.spaces.msn.com

 

[HEC]

have to agree with moltenmetal, I also have a room full of "old useless" catalogues and curves. Still refer to them occasionally too! My wife doesn’t see the use of them and given half a chance would happily dispose of them!


Mark Hutton

 

[BigInch]

I'm putting them on DVD's, but ... its slow.


"If everything seems under control, you're just not moving fast enough."
- Mario Andretti- When asked about transient hydraulics

http://virtualpipeline.spaces.msn.com

 

[Artisi]

nothing like having it on paper, given a book full of curves is certainly quicker than downloading curve by curve until you hit the right one, especially if selecting a pump for a particular duty as it allows you to quickly compare various pump sizes, models and speeds, NPSH and efficiencies.

 

[eyec]

sorry guys, i have to go with a well laid out electronic database. using the right USER FRIENDLY search program can save a whole lot of time and trees!

unfortunately Goulds is not such a good example of user friendly.

Steven C
Senior Member
ThirdPartyInspections.com

 

[BigInch]

Artisi, I would use their program solution, if I was selecting a pump. That's what its for, so I'm willing.

eyec,
Agreed. Just don't seem to be many of them.

They asked me for a link to a site I did like.
I sent them this, saying all I wanted to do was to be able to find these kind of docs via Homepage-Pumps-ModelNo.

http://www.goulds.com/pdf/36-3756S.pdf

"If everything seems under control, you're just not moving fast enough."
- Mario Andretti- When asked about transient hydraulics

http://virtualpipeline.spaces.msn.com

 

[Artisi]

BigInch, being from the old school and not having this sophistication until just prior to quitting the pump game I find I am or was much quicker using a book curves - but then you young guys were raised with comps so it's second nature to you - but can you use a slide rule

 

[katmar]

As someone who also still clings to a lot of paper, but who also appreciates the speed of on-line (or software) catalogs, I find the biggest difference is the "feel" I get for the problem when using the paper solution. When you can quickly flick through a printed catalog of curves and see where your operating point sits on several of them it gives more assurance that you have selected the "best" option. When the computer picks its optimum solution, do we know that it followed the same logic we would have? A company like Goulds would not issue software that does not pick the correct pump, but as I said I somehow don't get the same "feel" for the solution.

A similar example came up recently in another thread where someone was agonizing over the exact calculation of friction factors for liquid flow in plastic pipe. Now, I know BigInch is an even bigger fan of the Churchill equation than I am, but if you use the paper solution and plot your pipe data on the Moody chart you do get a better "feel" for the validity and accuracy of the answer than if you simply accept a single number spat out by a spreadsheet.

Katmar Software
Engineering & Risk Analysis Software

http://katmarsoftware.com

 

[Artisi]

I agree re the "feel" especially if it is a multi-pump project you are selecting where you need to consider interchangeability of pumps and spares.

 

[BigInch]

Carefull there Katmar!


"If everything seems under control, you're just not moving fast enough."
- Mario Andretti- When asked about transient hydraulics

http://virtualpipeline.spaces.msn.com

 

[BigInch]

Goulds is now adding a search button to the selection software to reach the curves in a more user friendly manner. Well ... its something.

"If everything seems under control, you're just not moving fast enough."
- Mario Andretti- When asked about transient hydraulics

http://virtualpipeline.spaces.msn.com