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BigInch

BigInch

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Jun 21, 2006
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Just finished looking for some Goulds pump data, the 3196 being discussed in another thread.

Went to the Goulds website and was told to download some pump selection active x program. OK.

Had to register. OK, filled in all that stuff. At least a 10 character user name. Finally.
Had to login. OK logged in.

I downloaded the PSS component and started it up. Couldn't find any pump curves. It asked for all the data needed to make a pump selection. I filled in a bunch, should be enough to get the curve... I thought. Still no curve apparent anywhere, nor any method to simply find a curve for an already existing pump that doesn't need to be selected. I found the whole "selection" process so inconvenient that I wrote to the support group and told them that I would not specify a single Goulds pump until they improved the access to pump curve data.

Still don't have the curve data.

What were they thinking?

"If everything seems under control, you're just not moving fast enough."
- Mario Andretti- When asked about transient hydraulics
 
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BigInch,

Goulds Industrial Biopharm Group (IBG), which includes the 3196, has a catalog out there with all of their curves for all of their models. It's called the GPM manual. I would ask their distributor for a copy. They give them away to good customers.

Their public PSS (Pump Selection Software) is lousy. I use it everyday. My company has access to their internal "Eprism" selection, configuration and pricing software, which works very well. I think the public PSS is limited, and therefore lousy, for legal/liability reasons maybe.
 
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Being a relative young chap to the Industry, i kinda love those paper copies - i used to work for one of Goulds major competitors, had an internal support engineer (even younger) who used to tap the numbers into a computer and come up with a "selection" - the amounts of arguments this used to cause us was untrue "The computer says it is the right selection" but you knew it was not the right anumal for the job, but getting him to offer what was right was almost impossible.

This has had a massive effect on the Industry, finding good quality Sales Engineers who understand properly pumps AND systems is becoming more and more difficult the only ones to suffer in the long term will be the end-users as we are not there to simply sell equipment, but to also be able to support and help solve problems - that is why we have the title Engineer in our name.

Right, said my piece, i will get off my soap box and reduce my blood pressure accordingly...

Ash Fenn

 
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Ash - I couldn't agree more with you, paper give you the opportunity to check and select a variety of pumps quickly for best fit, eff. etc before making a final decision as to the best one for that particular project / customer / site.
 
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Does anyone have a pump mfgr's website that they do like specifically because of the ease of finding pump curves?

"If everything seems under control, you're just not moving fast enough."
- Mario Andretti- When asked about transient hydraulics
 
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There is really 2 sides to this,
1. You need a to be able to access a particular curve ie the 3196 you mentioned earlier, I also looked at the same time for the same reason and gave up.
2. If selecting pumps by computor is your thing, then you need to be able to access a selection programme without a lot of hassle.

Some mentioned about the legality of using equipment selected by a manufacturers website, this can be easily catered for - ie, all care no resposibility without referal to the manufacturer or agent.

 
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Truthfully, I would't mind being able to tab-tab through pump curves. Actually I think it could be pretty useful. Paper's OK, until it comes to paying "air fright" invoices.

Legality is not a big issue to me, as I only do certified design work using certified curves anyway and everything else is marked "preliminary" "- bid information only" or "- not approved for construction".

"If everything seems under control, you're just not moving fast enough."
- Mario Andretti- When asked about transient hydraulics
 
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A lot of public software by a variety of vendors, pump manufacturers included is intentionally vague. They don't want their competition to be able to 'reverse engineer' their designs, etc. In most cases it should get you to the size and class of (pumps or whatever) but their final selection and the "certified" curves that result are the last word.

rmw
 
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I don't really think there's too much danger of reverse engineering a pump from its curve. That's basically all I want to see. I can wait for RFQ to return for the rest.

"If everything seems under control, you're just not moving fast enough."
- Mario Andretti- When asked about transient hydraulics
 
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“Progressing difficulty” is a term used in the software industry to describe an application that is written in such a way that a novice user can start using it with no training and a very advanced user can perform very complex transactions. MS office applications (such as Word & Excel) are, I think, excellent examples but I am not aware of any other application that comes close

PSS is clearly targeting the advanced user who is familiar with the product line and is willing to spend the extra time to learn, the hard way, the functionality that is available in order to search and display the pump performance curves in different views. Once you learn it, I think, it exposes functionality that is not available in other pump selection software

As JRLAKE mentioned PSS seems to be the pump selection module of an integrated application (Eprism) that handles a front to end process. This explains why the pump selection process is a not a series of choices is html format

From the data architecture point of view it is the right decision to have a single data source because the minute you start publishing pump performance data, in this case, in any other form it becomes outdated

I think Goulds could make some simple enhancements to their PSS applications to help the new user find his way around (both from the product and the functionality point of view) because as it stands now it targets only the advanced audience
 
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Chief,

I looked about and poked around for awhile there and it took me too long to find the pumps. And actually I haven't seen a curve yet. I think it could be better. Thanks for the suggestion though.

"If everything seems under control, you're just not moving fast enough."
- Mario Andretti- When asked about transient hydraulics
 
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Biginch,

Maybe I can help you something,I have access to the Goulds Pumps internal Eprsim system.
 
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Why? Just 'cause they have data posted somewhere or something?

"I'm all in favor of keeping dangerous weapons out of the hands of fools. Let's start with typewriters."
- Frank Lloyd Wright (1868-1959)
 
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I'm not sure what all the fuss is about. I used their online pump selection and got curves right away. Saved my searches and went back the next day. What's the deal???
 
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I guess I just have a thing about using a selection program to get a curve.

When I downed the program, I couldn't get the curve fast enough, but now they've made that easier (as a result of my complaint to them) and things are looking up, but I still just want to type and magically have it pop into view. Know what I mean?

"I'm all in favor of keeping dangerous weapons out of the hands of fools. Let's start with typewriters."
- Frank Lloyd Wright (1868-1959)
 
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BigInch, there is a button on the pump selection screen that is labeled Search By Model And Size. If you click that button you will be able to select the specific model and size that you are looking for and view the curve. Hopefully this helps.
 
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Yes, they added that button when I told them it was difficult to find what you are looking for.

"I'm all in favor of keeping dangerous weapons out of the hands of fools. Let's start with typewriters."
- Frank Lloyd Wright (1868-1959)
 
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Just tried to spec out a pump in the Goulds tool and desisted. Apparently I have to know their pumps to use it, ehich I don't. I found this a little more useful (And shows the curves!)

<<A good friend will bail you out of jail, but a true friend
will be sitting beside you saying ” Damn that was fun!” - Unknown>>
 
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