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Great book for those interested in US business history, and how it all went wrong 7

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Hi folks

I'll start by saying that I am in no way affiliated with the authors/producers of this book. One of my uncles is a (now retired) engineer and avid book fan, and told me this was an absolute must read for me being a young engineer.

The book is called "THE PURITAN GIFT" and traces the roots of american managerial culture throughout the three centuries since the puritan migration started in the 1600's to what it is today.

The authors are two British brothers now well into their 80's, Will Hopper who is an investment banker in london and Kenneth Hopper an industrial engineer who worked at proctor and gamble and created their just-in-time production control method in the 1950's.

Both brothers contend that the puritans had a specific moral outlook that shaped american business and led to its meteoric rise. The fundamental mission that puritans lived by was, however conceived, to create the kingdom of heaven on earth. Using this as the guiding principle the puritans focused on these principles to get there
1. A moral outlook that subordinated the interests of the individual to those of the group
2. An aptitude for the exercise of mechanical skills, which followed a profound respect for engineers and technologists
3. An ability to galvanize and marshal financial, material and human resources to a single purpose on massive, or a lesser scale

This made america the greatest nation the world had ever seen. The americans then transplanted this "gift" during the american occupation of japan post WW2. Under the allied command general macarthur ordered a team of american engineering managers, homer sarasohn, frank polkinghorn and W Edwards Deming (some of you will have heard of deming before) to rebuild the country and teach the japanese American managerial practice, which they then took and enjoyed their own post war miracle and whose quality products became the envy of the world.

In the 1970's, however, the american business landscape changed with the rise of the "business school". With it came the notion that management is a profession, a theoretical practice that could be applied to anything. They are scathing of the what the business school and its poster child degree, the MBA, has done to american industry and their arguments eloquent yet profound. They argue that companies are best run when they are run by engineers, or whatever domain that company may be in, it is best run by people who have requisite technical ability. They call this the craft of management, which will hopper talks about in this short clip
Anyhow, what was meant to be a short run down has turned into a full synopsis! The book was awarded top ten business books of the year in 2008 by financial times (who subsequently called it top ten business book of the decade) and praised by many top business folks. Ironically, harvard business review praised it despite being viewed in a negative light in the book. I found it an absolutely fascinating book, and felt compelled to recommend it to other Engineers out there, hence this thread. Easy read and lots of stuff regarding the profession.

Cheers
Sam

 
In an audio book on cold war Russian invasion of Afghanistan I was listening to, the author described the mandatory political education sessions Russian officers had to attend.

In as much as their political education was dominated by a particular economic model, working back, it made me wonder how much a US business/economics education is in fact a political education.

A lot of business education seems to really be about learning to think IN THE BOX, while claiming to do otherwise.



In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; experience suggests that in practice, there is.
 
kontiki99,

Read up on the anti-communist witch hunt in the USA in the early fifties. A belief in the superiority of capitalism was considered to be patriotic and ideologically necessary by a lot of people.

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JHG
 
This was also the timeframe during which the words "under God" was added to the 'Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag', something which had been resisted by the author of the pledge, an ordained Baptist minister, who's position had always been that he NEVER set-out to pen a 'national prayer', and he continued to reject any and all attempts to make changes to his original text while he was still alive. However, several years after his death, the Knights of Columbus mounted a nationwide campaign to do just that, convert the once purely sectarian pledge into a 'national prayer'. Their argument was that it was needed to ferret-out Communists and Communist sympathizers who had infiltrated our society. The idea was that when the newly reworded pledge was now recited in schools and before public meetings, all that a patriotic citizen need do was listen carefully for whomever did NOT actually utter the words "under God" while the rest of the people were reciting the pledge. After all, everyone knew that Communists were atheists and so this was the perfect mechanism to spot them since they would, out of some brainwashed adherence to their Marxist principles, avoid at all costs making any public utterance which supported the notion that there was a God.

Yes, America really endured a period where arguments like this were given credence, all in the name of patriotism and the belief that the American way of life, which of course included "brainwashed adherence to capitalist principles", was superior to that found in most of the world at large.

John R. Baker, P.E.
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To an Engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.
 
"Every nation seems to have its set of forbidden possibilities, which its citizenry and adherents
must not at any cost be permitted to think seriously about. In the Soviet Union these include
capitalism, God, and the surrender of national sovereignty; in the United States, socialism,
atheism, and the surrender of national sovereignty." (Carl Sagan, from Cosmos)
 
"...Yes, America really endured a period where arguments like this were given credence..."

Still ongoing...

STF
 
I thought the use of past tense was a little odd as well...

Communism --> Terrorism
Vietnam --> Iraq/Afghanistan
McCarthyism --> Islamophobia
Un-American Activities Committee --> Patriot Act/NSA

But this is off-topic, sorry, just couldn't help expanding on SparWeb's point.
 
Thanks sparweb and drawoh, I'll have to check those out when I can get the time

Augustines laws looks like a laugh

Naïve twenty something Engineer. Occasional cigar enthusiast, poor comedian

Regards
Sam
Brisbane, Australia

 
Hope you like it!
I had to give back the copy I'd borrowed - but still thinking about it many months after reading it.
Especially liked the "forecasts" he was able to make, such as the inevitable consequence of increasing equipment costs and shrinking budgets to buy equipment... project far enough into the future and the entire US air force will consist of one aircraft flown by the AF from Monday to Thursday, and the Navy gets it on the weekends!

STF
 
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