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OliverJDragon

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Mar 29, 2010
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When last we met, Dear Reader, I'd accepted a new job involving a significant relocation to West Bumblemuck, not my favorite place. This was a job I was recruited to, and their big sell was OMGWTFBBQ PART OF OUR EXECUTIVE MANAGEMENT TEAM!!!!!111!1!eleventy!! The kind of thing I'd be professionally foolish to turn down, etc.

The relocation is in progress (I have arrived; most of my worldly possessions are in transit). I start tomorrow.

And it appears that they have introduced another level of management above me. In one way, this doesn't matter because my job responsibilities remain the same, the same people report to me, etc. But it certainly weakens the OMG EXEC bit that they used to talk me into coming to West Bumblemuck. There's a difference between being *on* the exec team and reporting to one of them.

Would this have made a difference in whether I took the job? I don't know. Probably not. I did want out of my old job pretty badly and I didn't have any other offers right at that time.

Then there's the way they handled notifying me of this change--or, rather, didn't. I visited the company twice--once for an interview, and once for them to talk me into coming to West Bumblemuck over my reservations. During those visits, they mentioned that they were hiring someone for that new position, but never mentioned that I would be reporting to that position. Sometime after that last visit (and after I'd accepted the job), my main liaison to the company (who is NOT in my line of command; he's the guy I'll be replacing) mentioned just as an aside that they hired the new person and that eventually most of us would be reporting to him. This is the same guy who, when I asked earlier about the new position because whoever it was would be someone I'd need to work with closely, told me not to worry about it because that function had nothing to do with mine. So not only was this notification rather casual and asidey, it came from a non-official channel and contradicted earlier information. A far cry from someone in my line of command (who in this case would have to the be CEO) making a point of calling me and saying, "Look, Ollie, I know we told you ZYX but we've decided to make a change in our management structure like so."

The other bit of "notification" I've had is being CCed recently on a company-wide memo announcing the new guy, stating that he would start out being responsible for functions X1, X2, and Y. Y is, as far as I know, what I was hired to be in charge of (as reflected in my job title).

So...

(1) Is it unreasonable of me to think I should have been officially notified by someone in my chain of command that I will be reporting to a different boss and will be one level down in the hierarchy from what I'd been told at the time I accepted the job?

(1A) If the answer to (1) is no, is it a pretty safe assumption that there is nothing to be gained by expressing some disappointment in the nature of the communication?

(2) Is it unreasonable for me to see this as a bait-and-switch?

If the answer to (1) and (2) is yes, and this is perfectly normal and proper corporate behaviour, then I will simmer down.

Otherwise, I have to wonder--if something as fundamental as my very relationship with the company is something they didn't think they needed to tell me, what else are they not going to tell me? What else am I not going to know about until after it hits me? What else will I not be given a chance to prepare for? It seems to me that as of now I cannot trust "my team", cannot trust what I see and hear around me, but must always be on my guard against what lurks beneath, what someone has decided I don't need to know...YET. Not the sort of working relationship I signed up for.

An added complication--the way the new guy's responsibilities are defined, if you take out my part of it, what's left is a function that, according to one of my company's certifications, my function cannot report to. The certification states that Y cannot report to X. New Guy's position is an upgrade of a previous position, explicitly identified as X, that my predecessor did *not* report to. However, they could argue that since New Guy is higher up, he's not really X, he's exec-level, beyond that function, and I can report to him. As far as I am concerned, that might be the case once they add other responsibilities to his job, but as of right now, his responsibilities center around X and I can't; it's too close to the old position that I couldn't have reported to. This interpretation of the certification requirements is clear to me, and I'd like to think that my interpretation is pretty authoritative since I happen to be one of the people who write that certification, but if my management (whoever the hell they are) choose to disagree with my interpretation, I don't see that there's much I can do about it. It's not a real safety concern that I would need to whistle-blow about; it's just something that I feel is in violation of their contracts, that I would know is wrong, and that I wouldn't have tolerated when I was on the customer side of things if I knew about such a situation.

Sigh. A disappointing start.

OJD
 
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I wouldn't be surprised if the only notice of a change in reporting structure occurred when you walked in for work the first day. Reorgs big & small happen often, and I can see the powers that be either forgetting the incoming hires, or thinking it's not that relevant to tell them until they get on site. For similar reasons I wouldn't see it as an intentional bait & switch. Certainly the communication could be improved here, but from what I read of your description I'm not sold on intentional deception.

I would walk in tomorrow with an open mind. Some questions regarding the situation certainly, but without too much prior bias.

There are far worse reporting structures than simply having one boss replaced with another - even if that means a step down the corporate pyramid. I've had between 0-4 bosses at various times, including a period where nobody knew who my boss was (company laid my boss off as part of a large reorg, reassigned all his subordinate except me, and didn't figure out what to do with me until the next reorg after that).
 
<<< (1) Is it unreasonable of me to think I should have been officially notified by someone ...>>>
It's entirely reasonable, but unrealistic.


<<< (1A) If the answer to (1) is no, is it a pretty safe assumption that there is nothing to be gained by expressing some disappointment >>>
There is NOTHING to be gained by expressing disappointment at anything. As a middle manager, you will suffer many disappointments. That's why you got the big bucks. You did get big bucks, didn't you? No? Another disappointment; suck it up.


<<< (2) Is it unreasonable for me to see this as a bait-and-switch? If the answer to (1) and (2) is yes, and this is perfectly normal and proper corporate behaviour, then I will simmer down. >>>
It's not proper, but it's normal.

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My friend XXX sold his house in a distant city at a loss and moved to be nearer to his new job, working with me. Just after he closed on his new house, we were all told that, surprise!, the company was moving to another state, very soon. He expressed disappointment that he wasn't told about the impending change, as it guaranteed that he would lose money on _two_ house sales. Top Management uncharacteristically apologized to him, unofficially, but said that they couldn't have let the cat out of the bag in order to be considerate of him, for fear of having everyone else panic and leave while the getting out was good. They also did not help offset the losses he suffered. He stayed long enough to help with packing up for the move, but didn't show up for work in the other state.

I did show up for work in the other state, where they made me a 'manager'. I use quotes because I got zero extra money. I didn't mind executing through others and that kind of stuff, but I did mind having to conceal ugly truths from my friends. I also minded declining to hire a guy and having him show up anyway. I was wrong; he turned out to be a good worker, but I had to fire him a year later, for _no_ good reason at all.

After which, I adopted enough Bad Attitude to get myself fired, and thereafter made a specific demand in interviews that I would not be a 'manager', even in name only. It was certainly not fun doing it for free, and I couldn't foresee enough anesthetic effect even in 'manager money' to accept any part of it.

Before that, I had known on some level that middle managers act as bidirectional bullshit filters, but I hadn't realized how ill-suited I was for that work, and just how smelly some of the bullshit was. I just don't lie well. ... or at all.

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Mike Halloran
Pembroke Pines, FL, USA
 
1) No, it's not unreasonable to think you should have been notified.

1a) I don't believe anything would be gained, but you could definitely lose out by being seen as a whiner. The change has not affected your responsibilities, the number or type of people reporting to you, your title, nor your remuneration.

2) Bait and switch ... I don't think so.

Go in with a smile and start searching for whatever good is to be found in West Bumblemuck. Make the most of what you have.

Good luck in the new venture.
 
As a member of the West Bumblemuck Welcoming Committee, I'd like to offer you this gift basket full of local goodies...

Situations like this certainly can irritate, but the best way to deal with them is to look ahead, not behind. Give the job a try, and don't get stuck on how you thought it would be. See how you feel about the way it is.
 
Bruno,
I have a strong appreciation for your many works with Francesca Fiore and hope to see you work together again soon.
 

I have a problem jumping on the 'suck it up' bandwagon. If you say nothing, it will be a niggling little bother in the back of your head and the very least. I would want to know. I'd find a good opportunity to find out. Why not the first day during some of the orientation/paperwork stuff. Have a chat with the people who interviewed you. Don't be accusatory. Say that it was your understanding that you were to be part of the executive management team, but with the addition of an apparent new, and higher level of executive, that you are actually in middle management. Then ask if you have misunderstood something and ask them to explain where you didn't get it right. I'm not saying that you misunderstood, or in fact didn't get it right. I just wouldn't put it in that frame. If you do, you will likely make those who hired you defensive and therefor motivated to lie even more.

Be cheerful and try to appear unconcerned, just curious about getting something THAT WRONG. If they are smart, they will know that you know that they deceived you, but you are not allowing them the opportunity to label you as a trouble maker right off the bat.

Perhaps you may even discover that there was some small detail that you overlooked that may have been a hint. IDK. Just keep an open mind, stay cheerful and detached and watch their body language like a hawk. Notice if the person cannot hold your gaze and looks down or out the window a lot, a sure sign of deception.

Like I said, be gracious, cheerful and act as if everything is peachy. Then call a couple of contacts and see if you have options. You may not. But don't show your hand until you absolutely know you will win it.

"Gorgeous hair is the best revenge." Ivana Trump
 
>>>....they will know that you know that they deceived you, but you are not allowing them the opportunity to label you as a trouble maker right off the bat.<<<

Yes, you are allowing the opportunity, and yes, they will label you. They just won't come out and _say_ it, not right away.

I'm always fascinated by the way women communicate by such subterfuge, saying one thing while meaning something else entirely. I get lost at the third level of indirection.



Mike Halloran
Pembroke Pines, FL, USA
 

It's the kind of deceptive game-playing found in any company of any size and in politics at every level, and there aren't many women in those places. To blame it on the female mind is the equivalent of stomping your feet, picking up your Tonka truck and running off to mommy. Don't they make big boy panties?

"Gorgeous hair is the best revenge." Ivana Trump
 
I don't really know the answer to this except that to get worked up about it will probably do no good at all.

I worked for a process instrument company that also brought into its product range the high-tech niche market products from a subsidiary.
The subsidiary bought itself out and asked me if I'd like to come and work for them as Product Manager to be responsible for sorting out one of their new products.
They had two key new products. Product A had great potential, as I'd already discovered working for the original company and which was the reason why they approached me, and they didn't say so up front but they were happy that this was the product I thought I'd be dealing with.
Product B was seen as a lemon. In two identical installations in parallel flow streams one would work and the other not. Swap them over and sometimes the one that worked in one stream would work in the other and sometimes not.
On my first day there they announced that Product A was history and they wanted me to make product B a "fit and forget" "straight from the box" "first time every time success" (this form of management speak ought to send warning signals.).
What should I do?
I did what they wanted me to do and turned product B into a world beater. Of course, just about the time it really started to hit the big OEM contracts and when I should then have been in line for some nice bonuses, they made me redundant.

So should I have done what I did? Should I have left in a huff?

I don't know.
IF I did this instead of that would I be better or worse off today?
You can never know.
One thing you can know is that bad management is the one universality. You can either let it drive you nuts or you can live with the reality.

PS I should say that the real problem is where you have bad managers and an unduly active brown nosing back-stabbing colleague...... that's a combination to look out for.






JMW
 
Of course you bring it up!

However don't be unprofessional about it. Ask for a meeting of the concerned parties, explain the assumptions you had and request explicit clarification of the actual working relationship. One thing you need to learn as middle management or upper management is unvoiced concerns fester into unhealthy working relationships that end up causing more tension and strife in the end.

Part of being a professional is placing your ego in check momentarily and establishing facts of the situation above all else. Don't settle for back office communications channels and rumor. Get the key people to sit down face to face. Establish yourself as a "straight-shooter" from the get go, a person who can be counted on to deal with things head on.

Will it ruffle some feathers? Sure it will. Do you honestly think management teams don't ruffle each others feathers all the time? Of course they do. The mark of a professional manager though is how they handle defeat and victory after such "conflicts". If they win do they gloat and lord it over others? If they lose do they mope and scheme to get revenge?

Be VERY cautious of treading lightly for the sole reason of not wanting to tick someone off. If the misunderstanding was intentional and you stay quiet then you get labeled a pushover. If it wasn't and was simply miscommunication then at worst you will get labeled as someone who isn't timid about getting to the bottom of things. Just be mindful of how you act after the meeting is resolved. Your label will be defined more on how you act afterwards than simply by the fact that you called a meeting in the first place.

So in short, get a meeting set, explain your assumptions and understanding, get the situation clarified and then get on with the job you have in front of you.

 
If you bring it up you're probably labeled a trouble maker.

If you say nothing then you're probably labeled a pushover.

There may be some way to finesse it but so that you let them know you noticed without sounding like you're complaining but a lot will depend on their personalities, and you probably don't know that yet.

Has it affected your pay or other compensation? Has it negatively affected your immediate future prospects?

Some managers etc. claim to like people that stand up for them selves etc., for the most part I assume these to be the same managers that park in the 'unicorns only' section of the parking lot.


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I think I'll end up ruffling enough feathers as time goes by, just by being me. So I'm sucking it up. Mr. New Guy (who I still haven't met; we haven't been in the same state at the same time) sent me an org chart that, while still including him above me, includes a lot more people under him that the memo did not address. If the org chart is right and the memo is wrong (likely), then I can live with the situation. I still feel slightly baited and switched, and disapprove of the lack of communication (which seems to be endemic here), but the restructuring seems to be not as flagrant a violation of the certification requirement as it initially appeared.

Sigh.

OJD
 
In any given situation the hardest part is working out exactly what can be learnt from it, and how to use such a lesson for the next time.

In this case, its likely you can look back on the whole recruitment process and consider just how the company may be run on the basis of your recent experience. It doesn't provide much comfort now, but it'll certainly be helpful should you ever find yourself in this situation again.

After all, you're interviewing (recruiting, poaching, stalking etc) the company as much as they're interviewing you, and if it bothers you that much then its worth being able to look out for it next time.
 
You aren't the only one affected by this. This guy was put in charge of other people than just you. You won't be the only one that might be unhappy about it.

You will have to ask them what the new responsibilities are. While doing that you can explain how you thought things were going to be different and ask if you made the wrong conclusions or things simply changed on you. If you had a plan and some goals you should find out what changes you need to make to still achieve them.

If you just had you feeling hurt I hope this post has made you feel better.

So what did you do and how did it go?
 
Rules from my father in law (40+ years as a EE).
1. Due to the surplus of back stabbers, whiners, do-nothings and brown nosers: the profession sucks.
2. Be a professional, especially when every one around you is not.
3. Focus on your goals first. You will find that they generally tie into the company's goals, but not always.
4. Keep your options open.
5. And don't become part of rule #1.
 
Deception or incompetence, what's the difference? Still, an all new opportunity awaits.

Consider enerything an asset to be exploited in some way and work it all to your best advantage. What have you got to loose?

 
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