How to sell myself in daily routine job 7

[pai87]

dear all,

i guesed in this area there are many of you from human resources,
if i'm stuck up in routine's job for years, how to sell myself for next ladder?
in my position there are around 20 person in the same job, and i really dont get it what HR sees for the annual grading.

thank you for your attention, your advice are valuable for me.

 

[oldestguy]

Are you an active member of the same professional society as the higher ups attend? Being active in the professional organizations rubbing elbows with the others gets you a leg up on those that arn't there. Also that activity puts you in touch with others in other companies where there may be openings for advancing. Being active in your community civic organizations also helps, especially if you some day want to run your own organization. Just being a member is not sufficient. Ya gotta get int here and work. How about activities in the place you work? as for Christmas parties, etc.

 

[MikeHalloran]

HR people don't hang out here.

In five decades in the workforce, I have met exactly two whom I would trust to tell the truth, or perhaps say nothing if they thought I wouldn't like the truth.

Okay, it has to be a crappy job in a lot of ways, but basically, you can't trust HR.


If HR is responsible for your performance evaluation, you are chained to a slave ship.
There is no next rung.
There is no ladder.
There is no toilet.
There is only you, and your oar, chained together.
Row in perfect synchrony with the other slaves, and you won't be whipped.
Maybe you will eventually be moved to the top row,
where the other slaves' excreta won't fall on you.

Is that enough of a reward?







Mike Halloran
Pembroke Pines, FL, USA

 

[tygerdawg]

<Mike's always good for a chuckle>

These are questions for your direct supervisor, not HR.
You should express your interest in changing. But is a delicate operation. Questions need answers before you step into this minefield.

What are the requirements for the change? Do you meet the requirements?
Does your previous work record & accomplishments validate you for this change? Or are you held back in your current position through lack of accomplishment, drive, initiative, leadership, teamwork, business savvy?
Is there even an opening or an upcoming business expansion that needs a new opening?

Some of the most frustrated engineers I have ever met answered "no" to most of those questions. But because they had years of tenure, they felt they were entitled to advancement. But they never were.



TygerDawg
Blue Technik LLC
Virtuoso Robotics Engineering

http://www.bluetechnik.com

 

[rotw]

A friend of mine, out of a survival strategy, adopted an "Apnea" practice during office times.
Means that from 9h to 17h, the guys puts himself in a special state of mind (like in Apnea, concept is that you don't seek for oxygen, you are simply coping, managing efficiently/ prioritizing your resources). When the Apnea period ends, then life, hobbies can start and take over. He subsequently became quite immune to BS (all kind: coffee machine BS, corporate BS, official meetings BS, etc etc.). I think he also managed to "act" as if he was actively participating to the comedy work ongoing. (I have to say that the scene depicted here is not an US-centric one). Some few of his colleagues smelled he was not 100% in - they tried to penetrate his system of defense but were unsuccessful. There is no growth, no ambition, no professional development and it is all OK. Is it ethical? Well, apparently the level of company BS was extremely high. Anyway back to the OP - in absence of any career advancement option (situation completely locked means environment broken and vice versa) - maybe what i just narrated can become an inspiration for you (no sarcasm)

 

[pai87]

thanks for the responses gentlement,,,

to tygerdawg,
"What are the requirements for the change? Do you meet the requirements?
Does your previous work record & accomplishments validate you for this change? Or are you held back in your current position through lack of accomplishment, drive, initiative, leadership, teamwork, business savvy?
Is there even an opening or an upcoming business expansion that needs a new opening?"

sure it is a take away points...
thank a lot, and I'll to have all that question ia "yes"

regards

 

[CWB1]

Something to remember about engineering is that its not typically a profession where most "move up" in the traditional sense. At many companies you get small promotions with title and monetary rewards as you move from junior engineer through various ranks to senior engineer, but most go through very successful careers without reaching management. OTOH, if you have a history of doing good work, putting in reasonably good effort at professional development, and being yourself at work then there shouldn't be many "regular" engineering positions not open to you given competent ability. If your employer is being unreasonable, there's always a competitor looking to hire that knows how to treat employees.

 

[Jboggs]

Did you notice a difference between your question and all the replies? I did. It's simple: capitalization, punctuation, grammar, and sentence structure. If you want to be taken seriously, then take yourself seriously. Present a serious and ambitious young man in all your communications. Texting your best friends and communicating at work are two very different things. People learn things from what you say, but they learn more about you from how you say it.

 

[pai87]

Thank you Mr.Jboggs

I totally get it, I need to improve my english. But I kindly ask this forum to not resist to give more advices waiting until my english are perfect.

and Mr. Greg, thank you for noticing me from indonesia.

 

[TehMightyEngineer]

The better point to make is presentation is key. Doesn't matter if you're the best engineer in the world if the person you're trying to impress is turned off by some more basic quality (communication skills, personal hygiene, politeness, etc.) make sure you're presentable. "First impressions", "dress for the job you want", and so on.

Professional Engineer (ME, NH, MA) Structural Engineer (IL)
American Concrete Industries

https://www.facebook.com/AmericanConcrete/

 

[rotw]

Pau87,
What are you going to do, in order to have (some of) the orientations given so far implemented (say a set of actions, e.g. resign tomorrow morning etc.)?

 

[oldestguy]

pai87 Another thought. Read some of the other "rooms" in this category, particularly comments about what experiences have affected a number of the guys discussing the original post. One thing stands out... It takes work!!!!

 

[pai87]

Thank you for your responses,

Rotw, I have some action plan to do :
1. Read and study cases more, to have some right base for my argument in discussion
2. Try more active
3. And maybe finding some similarity in interest professional forum or in hobby.

Oldestguy, will do. Thank you.

 

[Ticklemetech]

Simple. Do something different. By different I mean next level. What can you do that will blow away the hiring manager or your boss. Even better will be doing something that will directly get the boss all wiled up. This will show your boss that you have leadership qualities and deserve to be in the upper management of the company. Break the mould!

 

[HCBFlash]

You probably know everything here, but the link may put much of it in a structure or light that you may find helpful:

https://www.themuse.com/advice/how-to-sell-anything-to-anyone-even-if-youre-not-in-sales

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(Me,,,wrong? ...aw, just fine-tuning my sarcasm!)