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mati01

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Jul 19, 2011
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Want to lift a load of 86 ton in sea with a barge mounted crane. what is the in water load to be considered how to determine the capacity of the crane?
 
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Does the item have any buoyancy?
How rapid is the lift?
Will you be lifting it clear of the water?
Will it trap any water?

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P.E. Metallurgy
 
if the volume of the load is 86 cu. meters then the lifted load is almost zero (considering non salted water) : Archimede
 
density of steel is 8 tonne/m^3
so then buoyancy accounts for 12% of the load, so the crane lifts (near enough) 80 tonnes (plus whatever safety factors).
then too I guess you have to account for "added mass" as you drag the thing through the water, maybe 12% (swings and roundabouts)?

another day in paradise, or is paradise one day closer ?
 
Is it 86 tons in air or in water??

Will it always be in the water?

what do you mean by "water load"??

If so then you can reduce the "lift" by the mass of water displaced by the unknown item.

But there's a lot more friction, effect of waves, current, movement of the barge under load or wind / waves, acceleration of the item.

86 tonnes is no laughing matter

There's plenty to to go wrong in a spectacular fashion

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LI, I expected you include links to some of the numerous youtube videos of overturning barges.

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I did look actually, but ran out of go.

the netherlands one from 5 years ago is a classic, but I think it was more than 86 tonnes

Also this depends a lot on whether it is a true barge crane built into the vessel or a mobile crane which happens to be sitting on barge

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Expect you've already got this covered - but stating the obvious for safety's sake.

Capacity of a land-based crane depends on reach.

Capacity of a floating crane depends on both reach, and on the height of the sheave on the end of the jib. Forgetting the height bit is a common cause of capsize.

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Thanks everybody.

The below mentioned inputs I can give you:-
The load is 86 Ton in the air ( calculated load).
It will always be in the water.
In - water load means load of the object inside the water.
The distance to be moved is around 20.00 Mtrs.
The Item has buoyancy.
 
OK, that's about 25% of the answers.

Remember we can't see what you're seeing so have to make it up from what you tell us.

Distance in water - vertical? horizontal? crane reach changes?

Do you mean extra buyancy? If so how much?

What is the volume of this mysterious item (any pictures, drawings you can share?

What is the sea condition? flat calm no current or ??

What exactly are you trying to do? Move something already totally submerged or?

The dead left load will be less than 86 tonnes, but might be a lot more than 86 tons once you allow for heave, barge movement, wind, currents, speed you're trying to move it at?

To be honest, this isn't something for an internet forum to work out and really needs an experienced crane operator to show you how it's done. A simple search shows you the many ways it can go seriously wrong.
Are you the crane operator or where do you fit into this?
We can help to point you in the right direction here, but only when we have a decent amount of information.

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If it's submerged in water, then the hoisting load is completely dependent on HOW FAST you want to pull it up. If it's REALLY SLOW, then the load is close to the dead weight minus the buoyancy, while completely submerged. Otherwise, you have to include the weight of the water the object is pushing aside as it rises.

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ie "added mass"

another day in paradise, or is paradise one day closer ?
 
The roll of the barge will be a significant factor. Check this early.
At Guy F we made our lifts in the morning during calm waters.
 
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