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Inspection Discrepancies 1

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phamENG

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Feb 6, 2015
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I was recently asked to do a third party inspection for a residential structure. The City inspector was overbooked, and couldn't get it on the schedule for a week or so. So I went out and checked out the framing - and summarily failed the #&^%# out of them. Shear walls not installed, hurricane ties not installed properly, gang studs to support girders not in place. It was pretty bad. They acknowledged the mistakes and committed to fixing them. Now for the best part. I get back to my desk and I get a phone call - the framing inspection was conducted by the City inspector and, you guessed it, it passed. When was it conducted? That's a good question. We're not sure. When I went out there that morning, it wasn't in the system. By that evening, it was. Nobody saw the inspector. Fortunately, the contractor is an honest one and is still proceeding with correcting the deficiencies I found. But that still leaves me with the nagging ethical question about the City inspection.

On the one hand, the evidence appears pretty bad. They passed an inspection on a house that clearly should have failed, and nobody saw them on site.

On the other hand, just because nobody saw them on site doesn't mean they weren't there. The super had already moved on to another job site and if the carpenter had closed up for the day, it's plausible the site was vacant. Also, the drawings are a bit confusing. The approved architectural plans and the approved engineering (which is is a mashup of a consultant's shear wall plan, truss drawings, etc.) are separate sets. All of my problems with the structure were based on the engineering drawings. If the inspector didn't have them for some reason, it's plausible that they could have passed the inspection. Though that ignores the fact that certain items required to be inspected would not have been on the plans he had which should have either failed the inspection or at least resulted in some questions.

So the ethical question - what to do about it? I feel compelled to, at the very least, inform the building official of an irregularity in the inspections and lay out what I've seen so they can investigate and take appropriate action. It may not be negligence, and may just require some additional training for the inspector. I certainly don't want to accuse somebody of gundecking their inspections without solid proof.

What does everyone here think?
 
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I'd rather be overly cautious than allow people to occupy a building no one has actually/thoroughly checked. Wasn't there a post just a month or two ago that caught a slew of inspectors signing off on buildings they never actually visited? Something makes me think it had to do with that Hard Rock Cafe structural failure months back...

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You are correct. The the Hard Rock thread has some references to at least accusations of inspections being done "from the truck." Not sure if they proved it or not.

Thanks for the opinion.
 
Seems to me that your first two items, the shear walls and hurricane ties, would have been mandatory, regardless of the drawings. Since you are a licensed PE, it's unfortunately your duty to report at least an apparent "discrepancy," or possibly, an erroneous "address" for the passed inspection. I don't think you need to go into details or suppositions, just the facts; you inspected a building that you failed, and a passing inspection reported erroneously appeared.

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A side question is, how did you get called in to do the inspection, yet someone from the office was able to do the inspection? Where's the coordination and left/right hand stuff?

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To answer the side question, the municipality allows a third party inspection to be used in place of an official city inspection if the city inspection is scheduled more than 2 days. In this case, it was scheduled for 6 days out so the contractor opted for my inspection to keep their schedule. So maybe the inspector found his/herself in the neighborhood and dropped by to knock it out early?

Thanks for the insight. Helps to confirm what I was thinking.
 
In my neck of the woods, City inspectors only look at a very narrow range of items, and rely on the Special Inspections process to identify issues like missing hurricane ties. Special Inspections are done by registered third parties, and sometimes by the design engineer.

Unless you are saying the owner or contractor are lying about the inspector having come out.

 
glass - no, just concern about the fact that the inspection "passed." I have a good relationship with the contractor/developer and they're an honest bunch. Around here, the inspectors check everything for houses unless there is a trigger for special inspections. Pile foundations are usually the only thing that trips that for residential. So long as it's plain concrete footings and light frame wood, the only person checking up on it will be the City inspector 98% of the time. In this case, the City is understaffed and has long wait times for their inspections which is allowing the contractors to hire qualified third parties to take responsibility for the inspection and submit a report to the City for approval.

I had a chat with the BO today. Just let him know what I saw, and that it seems it got passed in the system somehow. He said he'd be looking into it to figure out what happened. He appreciated the heads up.

Thanks, everyone, for reaffirming my thoughts on the ethical side of things.
 
I am much more suspicious of a few things: Specific "missing items" that are "always required" (like hurricane tie-downs and brackets and shear wall plates/boards at corners) are not "accidental" things "one worker forgot" Any single item missing or not fastened down securely? Sure - Mistakes happen. But all hurricane tiedowns missing all around the frame are not accidental - not when a large number of fundamental items are all missing, and all are expensive and cost time and money to go in, and all are invisible after the external siding is up? Add that to all of the other "mistakes" and you'll find a lazy crew/untrained crew/(illegal crew)/incompetent crew not supervised by a competent contractor/foreman/straw boss.

Too easily covered up quickly after a drive-by inspection that is too readily scheduled between a complacent "inspector" and a willing contractor.
 
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