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is it possible to use SA105 material for tube sheet in shell & tube heat exchanger ? 2

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gh61

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May 25, 2016
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is it possible to use SA105 material for tube sheet in shell & tube heat exchanger ?
TEMA & ASME STANDARDS
thaks a lot
 
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Yes it is, provided all requirements of Section VIII are met. It is no longer a B16 flange.
 
gh61, maybe, maybe not. What is the Code of construction?

Regards,

Mike

The problem with sloppy work is that the supply FAR EXCEEDS the demand
 
No, you cannot use SA-105 tubesheet material for an ASME heat exchanger. Read ASTM A105/A105M.


-Christine
 
Christine74 said:
Read ASTM A105/A105M.
Which section? I can’t imagine that an ASTM standard dictates what an ASME BPV section can or can’t do.
 
For over 45 years, I have seen SA-105 specified for numerous tubesheet material in ASME VIII, Div.1 construction, especially in the 1970's and '80's.
 
Historically, SA-105 was not permitted for tubesheets and hollow cylindrical forgings for shells, per the SA-105 Scope. This prohibition is independent of Code of Construction.

Now, for Sec VIII, Div 1, starting with, I believe, the 2013 Edition SA-105 is permitted for tubesheets subject to certain conditiions, see UG-6(c).

I do not know if it is permittted for other Divisions or Codes.

So, maybe, maybe not, it depends on the Code of Cconstruction

Regards,

Mike

The problem with sloppy work is that the supply FAR EXCEEDS the demand
 
XL83NL,

It's in Section 1.1:


"Tubesheets and hollow cylindrical forgings for pressure vessel shells are not included within the scope of this specification."

Note that there is also a weight limitation of 10,000 lbs.


-Christine
 
Correct. As mentioned by SnTMan, that doesnt mean VIII-1 excludes SA-105 tubesheets from it's scope.
 
SnTMan is correct, it looks like ASME Section VIII Div. 1 (and Section VIII Div. 2) were modified in 2013 to allow SA-105 material to be used for tubesheets as long as it meets the additional requirements of UG-6(c), mainly that an austenitizing heat treatment be performed.

One way of avoiding this issue is to specify SA-266 material when using carbon steel forgings as tubesheets.

Also note that SA-105 ASME B16.5 blind flanges cannot be used for tubesheets for ASME Section VIII Div. 1 construction.


-Christine

 
Christine74, for my edification if you please. Where is it stated that blinds may not be used as tubesheets?

The problem with sloppy work is that the supply FAR EXCEEDS the demand
 
SnTMan,

See Interpretation VIII-1-89-178:


"Question: May forged SA-105 blind flanges complying with ANSI B16.5 in pressure Classes 150 through 600 be utilized as heat exchanger tubesheets for Section VIII, Division 1 construction provided that both flange and tubesheet calculations are performed to verify that the thickness and bolting meet the requirement of the Code?

Reply: No. (See para. 1.1 of SA-105 for scope limitation.)"


-Christine
 
Christine74, thanks that's interesting. Perhaps the interpretation should be re-visited by any interested parties :)

The problem with sloppy work is that the supply FAR EXCEEDS the demand
 
Also note, that if using SA-105 to Section VIII Div 1 2019 edition, that the allowable MDMT is now warmer than in the past unless you normalize and use fine grain practice, so don't let that catch you out either.
 
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