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I've discovered overunity! Not really...

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moltenmetal

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Jun 5, 2003
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Hi roundtable-type people- Paul Martin here, who still likes to keep his real name private like a superhero on Eng-Tips...but today I need to trust you enough to reveal my Clark Kent identity- hopefully for your amusement!

I've had an unexpected and very welcome slow period at work, which has allowed me to spend a little time fighting with overunity trolls on LinkedIn- and one of them annoyed me enough that I think I may have been one of several people who got him kicked out for violating their Terms of Service. He has allegedly been taking loans from people for about 30 years to develop various schemes, most of them overunity-related, i.e. schemes that violate at least the 1st law of thermodynamics. Unfortunately, a little New Years celebration of that fact with some of my LinkedIn colleagues has resulted in an army of overunity trolls coming out of the woodwork- LI seems to be positively crawing with them. Here's the reference thread:


One of them seems to be a duo of the dubiously named Nigel CHEESE (a man who seems to exist only on LinkedIn as far as my Google-fu can detect), and his young acolyte, a fellow named jamie. They have a scammy little device they call a "quantum battery", which they claim harnesses magical energy- depending on which of these guys you listen to, they either harness zero point energy or cold fusion etc. Here's an indicative thread showing their device:


So: I decided to duplicate their device- it appears from subsequent conversations with jamie, I have correctly guessed the components of at least one iteration thereof, though I'm still not 100% sure my theory of the operation of their unit is correct- but just for fun I built one and pretended that it worked by the principles they claimed it did. I produced this YouTube video which hams up the whole overunity counterculture rubbish and makes the same claims that the "quantum duo" use in their material. Here's a link to the video:


Just to be clear: mine is a HOAX. It actually does work- no hidden wires, no "pre-charging" etc- everything that powers the LED is shown in the video.

You smart people will right away realize what powers it no doubt! Feel free to comment with your guesses here- I plan to keep the charade going for about a week, and then release my "big reveal" of the trick that powers it.

Feel free to reply to the video comments with some pseudoscientific bafflegab and technobabble mumbo jumbo if you wish- that seems to be the modus operandi of these overunity claimants- to use words like "quantum" and "magnetism" and "zero point energy" and "open systems" and even the "aether" etc. to give pseudomystical justification to how their devices apparently set aside the 1st law or use energy sources that nobody else has been able to harness (and which no credible physicist seems to think are any more available to harvest than we can convert matter to energy via E=mc^2 at will.

Trust me- no laws of thermodynamics were broken in the making of this video- though the truth was stretched rather a lot, it's just parroting back the rubbish that the "quantum duo" are spewing to their followers.

Enjoy- hopefully nobody gets upset at me or thinks less of me for pulling on the coats of these people a little. It bothers me when legitimate efforts related to alternative and renewable energy sources get tarnished by these charlatans.
 
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MM, the YouTube link didn't work for me.

Good luck,
Latexman

To a ChE, the glass is always full - 1/2 air and 1/2 water.
 
Here's a photo of my device:

quantum_battery_nlik8o.jpg


And yes, those are just nuts, rare earth magnets and an "organic magnetic diode" (har har!) between each pair...
 
Or Google "latemnetlom" (moltenmetal backwards)- the link to my tiny YouTube channel should come up. Let me know if anyone else is having trouble getting to the link!
 
The plot thickens- both Mr. CHEESE and his acolyte, and all mention of their "quantum battery", have disappeared from LinkedIn- and this time it wasn't me who complained!
 
Works fine now. Don't know what the problem was.

Good luck,
Latexman

To a ChE, the glass is always full - 1/2 air and 1/2 water.
 
Joke:

Q: What time is it on LinkedIn ?
A: 12:00, 12:00, 12:00, 12:00, 12:00, 12:00, 12:00, 12:00...

 
It appears that they've blocked me...so effectively in fact that if I search for them now, I can no longer find either of them, or even posts of theirs!
 
Time to create a ghost account I guess, just for this purpose...

VE1BLL: LinkedIn has a terrible, buggy interface- holding a conversation here is MUCH easier and more reliable than trying to discuss anything there!
 
So the "organic rare earth magnets" are button cell batteries.
 
No, just run-of-the-mill nickel-plated neodymium magnets. Nickel, and Zinc plated nuts, stacked with wet paper separators - classic Volta cell.
 
btrueblood for the win! Except it's cardboard separators, soaked with household ammonia...But SHHH! Don't tell anyone yet! Another guy in the Pub also correctly guessed it, so both of you get virtual drinks on me!

Does the link to jamie's LinkedIn post still work for you guys? Both jamie and Mr. CHEESE have blocked me so I can't see their crap any more.
 
Uh, yes the second link takes me to jamie panarello on LI.
 
I do wonder about people who would give money to these guys. Part of me wants to believe that there is a shrewd old guy with billions out there who throws a few bucks at all the whackos, figuring that if just one of them hits, he'll be the richest man ever. But the other part of me agrees with PT Barnum.
 
So many "true believers" reply with their horseshit on those threads that you can see an inter-related web of suckers and scam artists- sometimes swapping places. Some of the true believers aren't scam artists but truly believe their devices work- but won't do the experiments to prove that their device doesn't work as a result of some other phenomenon, rather making the non sequitur that the fact that science has been wrong before makes supernatural operation of their device plausible.
 
thanks molten, I'll have some ethyl alcohol with small amounts of phenols and tannins...you know, scotch. Maybe with some solidified dihydrogen monoxide.
 
OK- a virtual Glenmorangie La Quinta Ruban - on me! Too cheep to buy the real stuff any more, though it is delicious with a little water or ice...yum!
 
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