Kicking the Climate Change Cat Further Down the Road... 43

[ewh]

What is the reputation of the NIPCC (Nongovernmental International Panel on Climate Change, a organization of 50 "top" scientists) in the engineering community? I really don't know how reliable they are, but a study (Climate Change Reconsidered II) produced by them and published by the Heartland Institute (an organization which espouses other ideas I disagree with) claims to be "double peer reviewed" and presents a seemingly well-founded arguement that AGW is a political red herring.
I am not a climate scientist, but thought that this was a good example of one side of the differing dogmas surrounding the issue. Just how is a layman supposed to make sense of these opposing arguments?

http://climatechangereconsidered.org/

or the summary

http://heartland.org/media-library/pdfs/CCR-II/Summary-for-Policymakers.pdf

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-Dalai Lama XIV

 

[zdas04]

CajunCenturion,
I'm really sorry that I can only give that post one star. Very well said. I especially like:

In short, it is the job of government to protect our rights, not provide our needs

Losing track of that point is the source of so much evil in the world.

David Simpson, PE
MuleShoe Engineering

Law is the common force organized to act as an obstacle of injustice Frédéric Bastiat

 

[beej67]

Lets hear some solutions that don't involve government and are actually practical.

Eliminate permitting barriers for the gulf stream turbine concept.

What do I win?

..for what it's worth, the threat of automation of everyone's job, including engineers, is right around the corner if you're paying attention to what the CS guys are doing with AI. At that point, we'll have an economy perfectly suited to providing extremely cheap goods and services, and nobody but robots will have the money to buy them. But that really has nothing to do with this thread, and it's nothing we can reasonably prepare for anyway, since nobody really knows how all that's going to shake out. I plan on buying some land and learning to farm. Don't know about you guys.

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[TGS4]

My CO2 emissions are causing you harm whether you agree or not. Eventually it will be obvious.

Fascinating statement. Please define "harm" in the context of CO2 emissions. Please detail current as well as future harms.

 

[beej67]

My CO2 emissions are causing you harm whether you agree or not.

So is your food consumption. There's one less steak at the grocery store for me to buy every time you buy one.
So is your marriage status. One less lovely lady on the singles market for me to approach.
So are your children, taking up space in the crowded public schools that my kids could use.

You have to draw the line somewhere.

I get this:

It is the responsibility of government to balance individual rights with the impacts the exercise of these rights have on others.

Your right to punch ends at my face. I get that. In fact, that's the very mantra of all those Libertarians the blue media likes to crap on for being selfish. But it is nonsensical to have the government spend a billion dollars to keep my neighbor from throwing his grass clippings in my yard, because the juice isn't worth the squeeze. This CO2 nonsense is the same thing. 8 billion dollars to avert a 0.02 degree rise, and the glaciers still melt. We need to be looking at ROI every time we make policy.

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[GrandpaDave]

I just came across this conference ad in the Washington Times:
Climate Change Facts vs Myth

http://climateconference.heartland.org/

Can't tell if it will be truthful or not...

CAUTION: It's in Las Vegas, NV
So you can lose your wages in a hurry.
G-pa Dave