Largest residential building in Gaza fails with airstrike 5

[bimr]

Limited information available as to the size of the weapon and the design and construction of the building.

However, it would seem that a building should be able to take more hits prior to failure.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...-israeli-air-strike/ar-BB1gCB91?ocid=msedgntp

 

[IRstuff]

13-story building; luckily residents were warned before the attack:

https://metro.co.uk/2021/05/11/gaza...-killed-in-escalating-israel-crisis-14563992/

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[hokie66]

That's interesting, as to where the warning came from.

 

[Tomfh]

However, it would seem that a building should be able to take more hits prior to failure.

Israel have pretty good bombs don't they?

 

[IRstuff]

It wasn't an accidental attack, and they targeted the building specifically because of the alleged Hamas office in the top of the building, so I'm pretty sure the IAF hit it with the intent of, and most effective munitions for, taking down the building.

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[hokie66]

So not an engineering failure or disaster, but a successful demolition, with little collateral damage.

 

[Tomfh]

That’s a fairly tasteless comment given the dozens of civilian casualties.

 

[hokie66]

I will agree that tact is not my strong point, and there have been fatalities and injuries on both sides in the rocket attacks and bombing. But specifically to this building, accounts I read said that civilians were warned, and that there were no injuries in the vicinity of the collapsed building.

 

[bimr]

Israel have pretty good bombs don't they?

The population of Israel is less than half the size of NYC. That small of country doesn't have the technical knowhow or facilities to produce the weapons they are using. The weapons they are using is a result of the generous funding provided by US taxpayers:

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[TugboatEng]

Why were there dozens of civilian casualties? Weren't they warned?

Bimr, the Palestinians have a history of producing and using such weapons with a much smaller and more disorganized population.

 

[Alistair_Heaton]

That small of country doesn't have the technical knowhow or facilities to produce the weapons they are using. The weapons they are using is a result of the generous funding provided by US taxpayers:

Link

It definitely has the tech know how and they might ship in the bomb casings etc but software and control units are home grown.

They are also very adept at getting things made with none military specs but with additional features which when combined with other products turn things into a very tidy weapons system.

There was a case of them ordering a software upgrade out of a telecom exchange producer to do with battery control. Nobody though anything of it. And it was in for 6 months. Then reports came in of someone in gaza had answered and their phone and head had been blown off. They had put there phone in to get fixed because they had down graded it via the network so it appeared broken. They had replaced the battery with a new one with some px in it. They answered the phone, they pressed the button and bang.

What they don't have is volume of production for large scale conflict. But they definitely have top of the range world leading kit.

 

[hokie66]

According to this, the Israeli Air Force ranks about 9th of the world's armed air services, and 4 of those ahead of them are US forces. The other 4 are Russia, India, China, and Japan.

https://www.wdmma.org/ranking.php

 

[Alistair_Heaton]

And none of those ahead are as combat ready or experienced. Mates in the RAF say that they are utterly ruthless and have very little restrictions ROE wise and the head sheds and politicians are really not bothered by collateral damage or even them causing a international incident. The procurement budget is colossal and its a forces led process not political so when they buy something it works and is proven. And home grown systems they have zero issues testing it live and they have plenty opportunity to do so.

 

[1503-44]

Did they not scrap the US Patriot system for their far better, domestically developed Iron Dome antimissle system?

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[Alistair_Heaton]

yes but there are conflicting reports on how effective it is.

but to be honest although those number in the link are nice and hard it doesn't actually show what's currently combat ready and crewed. I know the UK RAF has a significant number of hanger queens in its declared totals. And crew wise fully trained up qualified combat ready in the UK is pretty grim.

Where as you can pretty much be certain that Israel will have at least what they have declared ready to fly and crewed by fully current and trained crew who have been first blooded and pretty much no ruels of engagement or have to worry about getting permission for weapons release. They see a target of opportunity they take it out.

 

[1503-44]

I think I saw that of some 200 rockets fired, 2 or 3 got through. Far better than Patriot standards. Which is why Turkey won't give up on the Russian A400 AA defense system, even though the US is broiling mad about that and threatening them with sanctions too. Could it be that the US now only posesses technical superiority in their ability to slap sanctions around, especially on their supposed allies? Maybe that tends to happen when your biggest most valuable companies make their money on advertisement, publicity and resale and delivery, rather than actually building something.

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[Alistair_Heaton]

Well nobody will buy a refuelling tanker off the states that's for certain.

 

[ATSE]

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[1503-44]

Depends on if someone asks a serious question.

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[IRstuff]

I think I saw that of some 200 rockets fired, 2 or 3 got through. Far better than Patriot standards.

The Patriot was not designed for the same application as Iron Dome, which was purpose-built for defending against swarms of cheap, short-range, missiles that have smaller damage radiuses. Additionally, Iron Dome prioritizes its launches for missiles that are projected to actually cause damage or kill population, while disregarding those that might not. The Qasam missiles are basically amped-up bottle rockets with near-zero guidance capabilities, which is why so many are launched at any given time, since most of them will likely miss an targets of consequence. The Patriot at roughly 100x cost per round, is intended to defend against higher, more expensive targets like suborbital ICBMs and offensive aircraft.

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