Legality of not updated copies 1

[calzavara]

I have a an doubt and I think that you might be able to help me. We design and fabricate vessels using ASME VIII Div I. We own various versions of this code, but other sections such as section 2 A, B, C & D are getting slightly long in the tooth. As you know all the allowable stresses, yield, tensile and vacuum charts are obtained from this part of the code.

But from a legal standpoint, is it compulsory that we own the current standard in full? I am thinking that if we are not including any stamp on the nameplate, we wouldn't need to have ASME 2 updated. What do you think? I mean, our clients know that we are designing according to ASME but no code mark is stamped on our vessels.

Is just having section 8 current ok?

 

[metengr]

If you have a Certificate issued by ASME to design and fabricate pressure vessels, you need to have applicable (current edition) code book sections made available. So, either have copies or access to copies and that includes all referenced Sections - II, V, IX, including VIII.

 

[weldstan]

Second metengr!!

 

[BigInch]

Worrying about the legal aspects is somewhat ironic. How is it that your clients know you design to ASME when you yourself can't be sure.

 

[GenB]

Then your customer has the illusion that you are building to the ASME Code, when the vessel blow up then his lawyer will find out that you were building to tenth of the Code. And that you don't even have an ASME Authorization.

 

[calzavara]

Thanks metengr, that was exactly the answer I was looking for, wanted to be sure about the references like II, V and IX. All our vessels are designed according to the last edition of ASME VIII Div 1, our designs are checked by a NOBO of course. We were using an old edition of II, but that doesn't mean that the vessel is not design according to ASME VIII Div 1.

 

[GenB]

I remember reading: metengr saying Current Edition... and also
"We were using an old edition of II, but that doesn't mean that the vessel is not design according to ASME VIII Div 1. "

Some times we want to understand the Code the easy way, our way.
Good luck.

 

[BigInch]

Legally if it ain't stamped to ASME, it ain't ASME. I imagine that some of your customers will find that out some day. Hope not the hard way.

 

[calzavara]

Hi all, thanks for you all your answers. As we are not a big manufacturer, we usually work with people who doesn't need their vessels to be stamped. The term "generally in accordance" is widely used by our customers. As many of the vessels that we build are SEP, we wouldn't need a design code to manufacture them, using a "sound engineer practices" would be OK. That is why we choose to design "generally in accordance" to ASME but we are not an ASME manufacturer. Maybe I expressed myself in the wrong way. Apologies if I wasn't clear.

 

[BigInch]

So that sounds something like PED?

Depends on how your legal system is in your country, but you'd be better advised just to stop mentioning ASME, unless you intend to stamp it.

 

[calzavara]

Apologies for that, I should have clarified the kind of vessel that we produce before. These are PED vessels, I understand your concern and thanks for the advise BigInch. We rather following a code instead than using sound engineering practices, since the code is more reliable, that's why we use the term "generally in accordance" as we don't stamp them. Anyway, I think it is pretty clear now, thanks all for the help.