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LPG System without a Vapor Return Line
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I can't recall ever seeing a vapor return line in a LPG loading station. The vapor will simply condense as the tank fills. Air in the tank could be a problem, but you don't want that in your bullet tanks either. So I think a vapor line would be useless.
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May not be bad if pipe is warm when beginning the load.
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LittleInch
Petroleum
See this thread which points out that a problem with no vapour return line is that your tanker ends up at about 14 barg and your pump runs out of pressure and the flow rate drops off whilst loading. Whilst the vapour might, over time, condense and the pressure fall as compsosite pro says, the reality is that this takes far longer than the loading process unless you can cool the liquid down a lot pror to loading. An issue is that you need to measure the vapour so that you only charge the customer the net LPG going into the tank and will probably need a cooler to get it to condense, but the key issue then is what is the pressure rating of you tankers and what is the pressure supply from your pumps??
Given that the pump pressure needs to vary from a few barb (3-4) at start of loading to over 14, this either needs multiple series pumps or a big range VSD.
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Given that the pump pressure needs to vary from a few barb (3-4) at start of loading to over 14, this either needs multiple series pumps or a big range VSD.
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LittleInch
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Or a suitably sized PD pump... I keep thinking about centrifugals all the time.... It wouldn't work so well with a single one of those. Note the vapour return lines in all those sketches.
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Ya. Needed them since at least '47.
All the truck and rail car loading facililties I remember had a liquid take off from the bottom of a bullet tank, a separator just before pump, gas going to a compressor going back to the top of the bullet tank, and a vane pump for loading the RC & trucks and another vapor return line from top of the RC & trucks back to the bullet.
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All the truck and rail car loading facililties I remember had a liquid take off from the bottom of a bullet tank, a separator just before pump, gas going to a compressor going back to the top of the bullet tank, and a vane pump for loading the RC & trucks and another vapor return line from top of the RC & trucks back to the bullet.
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LittleInch
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You asked what will be the restriction? Your restriction will be the pressure rating of your tanker and your filling system if you try to fill a vessel (your truck) with volatile liquid without allowing anywhere for the vapour to go. BI is just pointing out that this issue was "solved" a looooooong time ago.
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I try again...
You're right, it won't work.
Let's try this DropBox link
Tested it. That works for me.
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Let's try this DropBox link
Tested it. That works for me.
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