Max. flow velocity limits for airpline fuel pipeline 5

[WangsxXian]

In the design and construction of the airport hydrant system, the max flow velocity limits in pipelines is set as 1.83 m/s by API. There are other max set numbers for this velocity in other codes. Could anyone tell me please what the main consideration and how the numbers were derived? What's the original document regarding theses numbers?

Another question is why the bottom slope of the conedown vertical tankis is set as 1:30 (at least) by the codes? Is 1:20 ok too? Where is the original occurrance of this number?

Thanks ahead for all answers.

Shouxi Wang

 

[mbt22]

The suspiciously precise 1.83 m/s is 6 ft/s. Which API standard?

6 ft/s is a reasonably sensible rule of thumb limit to balance piping costs with pumping costs, and avoiding erosion by a clean fluid.

Matt

 

[bimr]

Please reference the standards that you refer to.

 

[BigInch]

I'm pretty sure the max velocity is set to keep static electrical charge buildup below sparking voltages.

1:30 would be better to help keep water out of airplane fuel.

 

[LittleInch]

Shouxi,

There are, to my knowledge, no fixed velocities in any code. There are a number of recommended limits or guidance, but no fixed number.

The issues to bear in mind are friction losses, surge pressures and static charge for high velocities. If velocity is low the pipe is bigger than it needs to be and hence costs more, you might not be able to clear air from the line and there is a lot more volume.

For aircraft fuel you want to make sure any water is drained off and not allowed to sit there. A slope of 1:30 allows for good draining.

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[WangsxXian]

Thanks alot for the replies. Is there any document which shows the details of how to set limits?

Shouxi Wang

 

[WangsxXian]

The consideration is reasonable and easy to be understand. The problem is how the numbers come from? For example, for the conedown vertical tank bottom, the slope must be larger than 1:30. How the 1:30 comes from? Is 1:25 ok too? Which document defines the 1:30 first and what are the details of getting this number.
Sorry for the question. But now we are bothering by this numbers and trying to find if we can change it little bit for better engieering.

Shouxi Wang

 

[georgeverghese]

Vaguely recall an IEC standard that discusses static currents and precautions for jet fuel systems design in it.

 

[bimr]

Flow rate in pipelines is limited on the lower side by the self scouring velocity, typically 1.5 to 2 m/s and on the higher side by erosional velocity, typically 4 m/s or static electricity consideration which is 3 m/s.

http://pipelineandgasjournal.com/je...-special-operation-maintenance-considerations

API 2003.

https://law.resource.org/pub/us/cfr/ibr/002/api.2003.1998.pdf

Vertical tanks have a cone down bottom with a minimum 1:30 slope to the centre sump, appropriate tank lining, filter/water separators, a manhole chamber if tank is buried Underground tanks are sloped to provide a low point for removal of water and other contaminants.

http://www.unlb.org/showbinarydata....%A3%13%FC%3C%FE%E9L%23%92%CA%14%12%92r%E3_%D5

 

[WangsxXian]

Many thinks to all the responses.
Especially grateful to Bimr. Your imformation are very helpful. Could you please resend the 3rd link please? I couldn't open it.

Shouxi

 

[katmar]

The BS 5958-2:1991 Code recommends that the product of velocity (m/s) and pipe diameter (m) be less than 0.38 for liquids with conductivities of less than 5 CU, and less than 0.50 for liquids with conductivites above 5 CU. Jet fuel uses Static Dissipator Additives (SDA) to bring the conductivity up to the 150-450 range, but it seems that it is still handled as though the conductivity were very low.

Keeping the velocity below 1.83 m/s (6 ft/s) would match the first of of these criteria (i.e. VxD<0.38) for pipes up to about 8"NB.

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[bimr]

The operation standard for aviation fuel JIG 3 calls for a positive low point to collect water and sediment for ease of removal, and requires for vertical storage tanks a cone-down bottom with a continuous slope of 1:30 minimum to a centre sump.

http://www.unlb.org/showbinarydata....%A3%13%FC%3C%FE%E9L%23%92%CA%14%12%92r%E3_%D5

 

[WangsxXian]

Thanks Bimr, I got it.

Shouxi