AW786
Chemical
- Feb 16, 2009
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Hi,
Can any one discuss and guide me,about my question.
Thanks
Can any one discuss and guide me,about my question.
Thanks
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My Achievements not Getting recognized in my Company 11
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If your paper outlined certain sub-par conditions within your company without recommending action plans to correct the problems, that was a serious flaw.
You should immediately attempt to amend your paper and resubmit it. If that is not possible, write a follow-up to clearly explain what can be done to rectify the problems. Always remain positive when discussing problems. Yes, you pointed out that the problem exists but now point out how fixing the problem will lead to greater safefy, higher profits, or a leaner work flow.
In other words, your positive contribution should be to provide innovative solutions to problems, not to simply point out the existence of problems. This strategy will identify you as someone who wants to make things better instead of merely complaining about them.
Instead of calling out "problems", present your ideas as process or product improvements. When you improve something, it logically follows that you are solving a problem. However, you eliminate the need to call out the problem per se. For example, I may propose a method to improve safety in a manufacturing facility by installing larger corner mirrors at intersections so fork truck drivers can get a better view of pedestrian traffic. It logically follows that the facility is currently using mirrors that are too small but I didn't have to make that blatant statement.
You should immediately attempt to amend your paper and resubmit it. If that is not possible, write a follow-up to clearly explain what can be done to rectify the problems. Always remain positive when discussing problems. Yes, you pointed out that the problem exists but now point out how fixing the problem will lead to greater safefy, higher profits, or a leaner work flow.
In other words, your positive contribution should be to provide innovative solutions to problems, not to simply point out the existence of problems. This strategy will identify you as someone who wants to make things better instead of merely complaining about them.
Instead of calling out "problems", present your ideas as process or product improvements. When you improve something, it logically follows that you are solving a problem. However, you eliminate the need to call out the problem per se. For example, I may propose a method to improve safety in a manufacturing facility by installing larger corner mirrors at intersections so fork truck drivers can get a better view of pedestrian traffic. It logically follows that the facility is currently using mirrors that are too small but I didn't have to make that blatant statement.
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AW786
Chemical
- Feb 16, 2009
- 5
Hi Participants,
Thank you for your comments on my question and I take your words as golden advice.
Especially, JMW, who clear my worries very well, after reading your all comments, I corrected my self and got satisfied.
Indeed,my way was not correct and I was on wrong direction.
Thanks
Thank you for your comments on my question and I take your words as golden advice.
Especially, JMW, who clear my worries very well, after reading your all comments, I corrected my self and got satisfied.
Indeed,my way was not correct and I was on wrong direction.
Thanks
ExRanger, I'm not sure anyone's advocating it. However, it is a sad reality. If it wasn't there wouldn't be whistle blower protection rules etc.
Sometimes, you have to choose between doing the right thing, or the thing that will further your career (or at least extend your time at the current job till you can find something else).
KENAT,
Have you reminded yourself of faq731-376 recently, or taken a look at posting policies:
Sometimes, you have to choose between doing the right thing, or the thing that will further your career (or at least extend your time at the current job till you can find something else).
KENAT,
Have you reminded yourself of faq731-376 recently, or taken a look at posting policies:
The real question here was bout why no recognition.
The responses from me at least, where about that.
The situation of safety issues is especially critical and I hope I didn't give the impression that they should be covered up. What I really wanted to suggest is that there is a right way and a wrong way to address such issues or any issues at all and a "copies to everyone" memo ain't necessarily it. We can even surmise that in some cases it might actually be counter-productive.
Safety issues should be dealt with appropriately.
If dealt with appropriately but not acted upon then that is another issue.
JMW
The responses from me at least, where about that.
The situation of safety issues is especially critical and I hope I didn't give the impression that they should be covered up. What I really wanted to suggest is that there is a right way and a wrong way to address such issues or any issues at all and a "copies to everyone" memo ain't necessarily it. We can even surmise that in some cases it might actually be counter-productive.
Safety issues should be dealt with appropriately.
If dealt with appropriately but not acted upon then that is another issue.
JMW
Sorry, a PS.
If we ask any number of people about the safety aspects of a particular activity we will find a surprising degree of dissent.
My Nephew thinks sky diving is tame and base jumping is cool. His mother thinks otherwise.
He thinks she doesn't know anything about anything and she thinks he doesn't know enough to know what is dangerous and what isn't.
Hmm.
Safety is not a simple case of black and white.
In an industrial environment there are a great many aspects that require skill and training to properly assess.
So, if you do not have the training to be a health and safety inspector, then you might wish to consult someone with experience before ringing the fire bell.
JMW
If we ask any number of people about the safety aspects of a particular activity we will find a surprising degree of dissent.
My Nephew thinks sky diving is tame and base jumping is cool. His mother thinks otherwise.
He thinks she doesn't know anything about anything and she thinks he doesn't know enough to know what is dangerous and what isn't.
Hmm.
Safety is not a simple case of black and white.
In an industrial environment there are a great many aspects that require skill and training to properly assess.
So, if you do not have the training to be a health and safety inspector, then you might wish to consult someone with experience before ringing the fire bell.
JMW
"So, if you do not have the training to be a health and safety inspector, then you might wish to consult someone with experience before ringing the fire bell."
But work with them and use each other's skills, because they usually don't have the specialist technical knowledge to correctly assess the hazards in many industrial situations. Good relations between engineering and the safety advisors are invaluable and well worth developing.
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If we learn from our mistakes I'm getting a great education!
But work with them and use each other's skills, because they usually don't have the specialist technical knowledge to correctly assess the hazards in many industrial situations. Good relations between engineering and the safety advisors are invaluable and well worth developing.
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If we learn from our mistakes I'm getting a great education!
I think the relevant point here is not about safety issues, it's more about using the right method.
My interpretation of the original post was that there was some sort of safety essay request; the OP used his safety essay to point out flaws in the company's safety system. If this safety essay was to be a corporate PR sort of thing, then his response was not what was wanted.
If your boss wants a nice fluffy safety piece written, for example, for the company newsletter, then pointing out deficiencies will not win you friends.
For those married forum members, if your spouse asks 'How does this look on me, dear?', the advisable response is not, 'Well, you know, you could lose a few pounds, and tighten up those abs'.
My interpretation of the original post was that there was some sort of safety essay request; the OP used his safety essay to point out flaws in the company's safety system. If this safety essay was to be a corporate PR sort of thing, then his response was not what was wanted.
If your boss wants a nice fluffy safety piece written, for example, for the company newsletter, then pointing out deficiencies will not win you friends.
For those married forum members, if your spouse asks 'How does this look on me, dear?', the advisable response is not, 'Well, you know, you could lose a few pounds, and tighten up those abs'.
There you go, marriage advice again.... the most dangerous advice the members give.
JMW
JMW
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AW786
Chemical
- Feb 16, 2009
- 5
Hi Al's,
Many of you, are ado-vacating the managerial positions and blaming on attitude and the way I went on this subject, what is your response on this, if a company does not have record for past 10 years no training on safety and refresher courses.
This not weakness or flaw in there procedures.
I have read also, lot of Managing the people in organization and finally the result is like you people advising.
come back on the question and we can discuss more on attitude and behavior of management.
Thanks
Many of you, are ado-vacating the managerial positions and blaming on attitude and the way I went on this subject, what is your response on this, if a company does not have record for past 10 years no training on safety and refresher courses.
This not weakness or flaw in there procedures.
I have read also, lot of Managing the people in organization and finally the result is like you people advising.
come back on the question and we can discuss more on attitude and behavior of management.
Thanks
AW768, as I said I don't think anyone is advocating the management position (as in saying it's right/correct). Putting their own reputation/well being/profits before safety concerns is by most measures not 'the right thing to do'.
What some of us are saying though, is that it's reality and you have to learn to work with it/around it or, in some cases, get the heck out of their while you still have 10 fingers & 10 toes etc.
For a job where Safety is clearly a major concern, or at least the potential implications of not being safe, no training etc. is not OK.
The issue is how to deal with it. Your first salvo being a widely cirulated report where you point out managements failings, or at least that's how management perceive it, was not a smart first move in most environments.
KENAT,
Have you reminded yourself of faq731-376 recently, or taken a look at posting policies:
What some of us are saying though, is that it's reality and you have to learn to work with it/around it or, in some cases, get the heck out of their while you still have 10 fingers & 10 toes etc.
For a job where Safety is clearly a major concern, or at least the potential implications of not being safe, no training etc. is not OK.
The issue is how to deal with it. Your first salvo being a widely cirulated report where you point out managements failings, or at least that's how management perceive it, was not a smart first move in most environments.
KENAT,
Have you reminded yourself of faq731-376 recently, or taken a look at posting policies:
Great thread
What I find hard to appreciate is: you expect recognition from writing a paper?
What if your boss once practiced what you are now doing and you are doing it with 10times the competence, and he/she simply doesnt want to accept that, seeing you as a rival, yet finds a way to have you around because you are the only one with the required competence, hence useful to him/her?
You get zero credit in whatever you do. And you are continuously robbed off. YOu survive by being allowed to hang around.
Jmw is right: A complex environment with politics and other things in it.
What I find hard to appreciate is: you expect recognition from writing a paper?
What if your boss once practiced what you are now doing and you are doing it with 10times the competence, and he/she simply doesnt want to accept that, seeing you as a rival, yet finds a way to have you around because you are the only one with the required competence, hence useful to him/her?
You get zero credit in whatever you do. And you are continuously robbed off. YOu survive by being allowed to hang around.
Jmw is right: A complex environment with politics and other things in it.
No offense, your contribution is tiny. Anything like good job or well done should be good enough.
You want hear my contribution? Our 2nd biggest supplier cut us out one year ago, suddenly we had no supply for several high volume products but a small inventory. I teamed with several other people and quickly defined two potential suppliers. Now, one years later, all the products we got from new suppliers were tested and were found even better than before. Did I get any recognition? Pretty much zero except my boss stated in my performance review I was critical to this potetially devastating issue and my boss's boss said my expertise is extremely valuable.
And guys, several million dollars products I am talking about. I am certainly not satisfied, but happy enough that I still got a job.
You want hear my contribution? Our 2nd biggest supplier cut us out one year ago, suddenly we had no supply for several high volume products but a small inventory. I teamed with several other people and quickly defined two potential suppliers. Now, one years later, all the products we got from new suppliers were tested and were found even better than before. Did I get any recognition? Pretty much zero except my boss stated in my performance review I was critical to this potetially devastating issue and my boss's boss said my expertise is extremely valuable.
And guys, several million dollars products I am talking about. I am certainly not satisfied, but happy enough that I still got a job.
Did we ever determine that the OP's submital was the top award winner? Maybe someone else's was better?
KENAT,
Have you reminded yourself of faq731-376 recently, or taken a look at posting policies:
KENAT,
Have you reminded yourself of faq731-376 recently, or taken a look at posting policies:
I think you answered your own questions there. Your boss probably liked it, but his bosses boss probably didn't like it. If you want to get rewarded, you should ask the CEO of the company of what to write about. If he/she likes it, everyone in the building will like it........
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Quoting:
"The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ,
Moves on: nor all your Piety nor Wit
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all your Tears wash out a Word of it."
From which may be spawned SNORGY's modern day version:
"To arouse the ire of your Mentor,
Write your message and press ENTER.
But wiser is the He or She
Who makes judicious use of BACKSPACE key."
-- Snorgy --
Regards,
SNORGY.
"The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ,
Moves on: nor all your Piety nor Wit
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all your Tears wash out a Word of it."
From which may be spawned SNORGY's modern day version:
"To arouse the ire of your Mentor,
Write your message and press ENTER.
But wiser is the He or She
Who makes judicious use of BACKSPACE key."
-- Snorgy --
Regards,
SNORGY.
Title of the thread, "My Achievements not Getting recognized"...
My boss's boss's boss is retiring. I dropped him a note, and his response included a comment that I do "wondrous things" for my employer, "which go unrecognized".
And I'm thinkin', dammit, don't tell ME that, tell everyone else, so that I *can* be recognized!
Hg
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My boss's boss's boss is retiring. I dropped him a note, and his response included a comment that I do "wondrous things" for my employer, "which go unrecognized".
And I'm thinkin', dammit, don't tell ME that, tell everyone else, so that I *can* be recognized!
Hg
Eng-Tips policies: faq731-376
HgTX - forward the message to your boss's, boss's boss!
KENAT,
Have you reminded yourself of faq731-376 recently, or taken a look at posting policies: What is Engineering anyway: faq1088-1484
KENAT,
Have you reminded yourself of faq731-376 recently, or taken a look at posting policies: What is Engineering anyway: faq1088-1484
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