Need Clarity on runout issue

[KimBellingrath]

Hello,
I have a tolerance on a motor shaft that needs clarity:
the dim is now as follows: (metric)

single-arrow runout: "0.0381"
position referenced to the housing boss: "Dia 0.0381"

Does the positional tolerance restrict the runout to be within a 'cylinder' of Dia 0.0381 along the entire length?
Thanks

 

[Heckler]

It seems like a redundant callout. Using runout restricts the axis of the shaft to FIM of 0.0381" to the referenced datum. Although, runout is picking a few points on the surface whereas, TP is controlling perpendicularity to the referenced datums. Without seeing the entire drawing, I can't really make the call. I can tell you from an inspection stand point that runout is easier to check on a shaft verse TP.

Best Regards,

Heckler

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[chancey]

I agree with Heckler. I would drop the Position and keep the R/O because you are dealing with a rotating part.

 

[TheTick]

If the datums for the positin and runout are the same (housing boss?) then the runout would make the position redundant. Position by itself would not guarantee runout, though.

 

[ctopher]

I agree with the others.
Also, with a motor shaft, it would be spinning. Wouldn't total runout be more appropriate? I'm not sure without seeing the part.

Chris
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[btrueblood]

The position tolerance may also be locating axial features on the shaft (i.e. controlling shaft protrusion)?

 

[macduff]

Runout is RFS and I beleive TP would have to have the modifier as well to be the same. Would need to look at the drawing.

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[Heckler]

Chris,

Total runout would make for an extremely costly shaft. I've seen pump shafts with multiple bearing and element diamters having runouts of .0005" to grind centers. If this was total runout it would mean that the entire surface would have to fall within this tolerance band.

I think Kim needs to give us more information to correctly answer her inquiry.

Best Regards,

Heckler
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[ctopher]

yes, I agree I need more info.

Chris
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