Newmark's Numerical Procedures 6

[paddingtongreen]

Moment Distribution works very well on a spreadsheet and I used it on a similar set of iterative calculations, checking the capacity of some damaged struts.

Michael.
Timing has a lot to do with the outcome of a rain dance.

 

[Ron]

KK..as one who has been active in the forums for over 10 years, and as one who has been in the engineering game for a reasonably long time (34 years), I can say that I continue to get a lot of good information from the old dogs and the young pups. I have mentored younger engineers for many years...in a "mega-firm" (over 2000 engineers/scientists), a smaller regional firm (200 engineers), and my own firm (currently 5 engineers). I enjoy it. I co-authored a mentoring manual for the regional firm. Passing knowledge along is a necessity for the sake of quality, consistency, and continuity of the engineering process and the engineering profession.

I continue to learn from the forums every day. The diversity, as you noted, is incomparable. My thanks to all of you for your continued education of a potential old dog (hokie66 hasn't yet designated me as an official old dog!)

 

[rowingengineer]

Is the old dogs similar to the wisdom of the old bull?

About the wisdom that comes with age...
This one day, a young bull and an old bull are standing up on the top of a hill...

"Damnation, old bull. You lookin' down there all all them pretty cows?", young bull asked.

"Yessir I am," old bull replied. He slowly chewed on some weeds.

"Well old bull, I'm gettin' me a good idea!" young bull exclaimed, hopping up and down anxiously.

Old bull glanced sideways. "Yeah, what's that?" he asked.

"Let's sprint down this here hill, and service one of them cows!"

Old bull kept chewing his weeds. "Well?!" the young bull demanded.

"Well," the old bull said with the wisdom of his age, "I got a better idea than that."

"What the hell could be better than my idea?" the young bull asked, annoyed but curious.

Old bull said with a grin, "Let's walk down there and service all of the cows.

Arguing with an engineer is like wrestling with a pig in mud. After a while you realize that they like it

 

[hokie66]

Ron, you're in. I was just waiting for your application.

 

[dhengr]

Ron>> I think 34 years of practice qualifies you to be an “Old Dog,” although age really wasn’t the only thing I had in mind when I used that term above. “Sage Advice” was the other phrase I used in that same sentence, and I see plenty of that, and good experience too, in many of your posts, that’s what really qualifies you. Hokie66 was just showing his ageism because he knows I’m a year or two older than he is, but he is an official designator. Rowingengineer would certainly qualify because if ‘young at heart’ was a disqualifier, we would all be in trouble. BA would qualify too, if he is so inclined, because wisdom and slowing down a bit fits the bill just fine. If he’s used Newmark’s Methods to solve practical engineering problems, he’s certainly old enough. I intended the term ‘old dogs’ with all due respect. I used to also use the phrase, ‘the, or my, old man, with utmost respect,’ never to his face mind you; but I was always amazed at how much smarter he got, as I got older. That started to kick in about the time I got out in the work-a-day world, got married, and had kids of my own. I think most everyone knows who really qualifies to be on the “Old Dogs” team, and I think we can also see who some of the ‘less older’ fellows and gals are, who will be joining us in ten or fifteen years.

At the time, I was thinking ‘this old dog (me) is having more trouble learning new tricks, every day.’ Just as you said it, I am learning new things here on a regular basis, certainly seeing thought provoking things that I would never have dug up on my own, and I’ve also been enticed to revisit subjects and methods that I haven’t used or thought a lot about in some time. It’s fun and interesting, thank you all very much, but I guess some of my frustrations sometimes show through too.

Rowingengineer>> I’m now having second thoughts about you, because the same joke used to fill this exact same space. Just before I posted a thought I would look back and see if anything had been added, and low-and-behold, you could have saved me some typing time. Alternatively, maybe it’s the old ‘great minds think alike’ thing.

 

[Ron]

hokie...thanks...now when do I get to retire??

 

[dhengr]

Hey, Hokie>> I thought you said the interview went pretty well with that Ron guy. You did talk to him about the salary, yearly review policy and benefits, etc. didn’t you. Hell, the ink isn’t even dry on his application yet, we haven’t gotten a day’s work out of him yet, we haven’t made a nickle off him yet, and he’s already taking about more benefits, specifically retirement.

I don’t know what’s become of this younger generation. I just don’t know what the hell they’re teaching these young guys in college these days. I’ll bet that by the end of his first day he’ll be asking about a raise and a promotion or shorter hours. I showed him his desk and computer and he was pissed because he only had two flat screens and they weren’t both 24". I asked him where his reference books and such like were and he said he sold all that stuff so he would have enough beer money for graduation weekend. I asked him what he does then, if we give him a tough problem, he said he has some old dogs who give him all the answers, and asked about our policy on pets in the office.

 

[Ron]

It's not my fault! You see, I had a deprived childhood. I didn't have a computer (well...OK, only NASA had computers as powerful as a PC of today), I didn't have video games (well...OK, they hadn't been invented yet), and I'm not sure how I survived, but I also didn't have a cell phone (Oops..they hadn't been invented either). I was forced to play outside where I was bombarded by all that sunshine and fresh air. I had to play games like baseball, running bases in 95 degree heat, or football where you ran in short spurts and got mauled by others.

They told me all I had to do was get an engineering degree and I'd be set for life.....so now you see why I retired when I got my first job.....I was tired.

 

[rowingengineer]

I don't know about this, what have I signed up for. Sounds like I may have to work and look at text books. Don’t you guys already know everything I could ever need to know? Hang on your not saying, I may have to find things out and not just sit at my computer and be spoon feed, but I had my bib all ready to go.

I haven’t had my daily pat on my head, to tell me that I’m doing a such good job and that my 3D FEA model of a RW will be useful.

That’s it I QUIT, I can’t work under these conditions; I need someone to grade my work. I don’t like to work 8 hours straight without a long nap. I want a raise because I didn’t lost on my way to work today. And I’m going to your competitor and taking all your clients. It seems like I'm the only one around here working.

Dhengr,
If you think the way I do, then don’t get to surprised when the guy in white coats come knocking at your door.

Arguing with an engineer is like wrestling with a pig in mud. After a while you realize that they like it

 

[ishvaaag]

There are many factors adversarial to proper exercise of the professions; we had some in the past, have some in the present, and had to battle them then and now. To bad or poor tuition, distraught learning, vagrant employment and life stresses we must add by now after decades evolving in that direction lessened empowerment of the professions and deceiving earnings, since after taxes many boasting (and government) agencies seem wanting you to work for returns of maybe 5% of cash flow, be as indebted as a corporation half owned by banks and gone asunder like them.

Imagine a surgeon in operations worried by his electrical energy bill; and of course not to forget making some car revision and get the children at school's.

This is what I called quite clemently unimaginable lack of focus enforced upon us. For for us that must mean lack of focus, bot for others are focus itself; here there is an institution that whenever some trade becomes high pay, immediately produces short courses that through "credits" trick, or if you want, phony bare-bones training, inundates the market with new people practicing in the field. Smart, and going.

 

[paddingtongreen]

For engineers, doing a great job is like pissing your pants while wearing a dark suit, you get a warm feeling for a few moments but nobody else notices.

Michael.
Timing has a lot to do with the outcome of a rain dance.

 

[Ron]

RE...most of us belong in rubber rooms anyway!!