RFreund
Structural
- Aug 14, 2010
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Has anyone not used brick relief angles for say 4-5 story building, framed with either steel stud bearing walls or structural steel frame?
It seems like the relief angles can really add to the cost of your structural steel (obviously). My first question is that the requirements in the new 2013 MSJC code seem odd.
First, I thought there was some language about if the differential movement was considered than relief angles are not required, however the code seems to plainly state that if steel stud backup is used then 30' is your max height (38' at gables). Did this verbage disappear?
Next, when they say "back-up" of cold formed steel studs, does it matter if they are load bearing or non-load bearing? I thought differential movement was the issue here so if they are simple infill studs and the structural frame is steel or concrete, does that make a difference?
Third here are my considerations if you were to omit the relief angles, any other suggestions?
CFS Bearing Wall System
[ul]
[li]1/8" per floor for "squashing" of the tracks[/li]
[li]Temperate expansion of masonry add to:[/li]
[li]Expansion of veneer due to moisture[/li]
[li]Neglect axial shortening of studs due to strain.[/li]
[/ul]
Structural Steel System
[li]Temperate expansion of masonry add to:[/li]
[li]Expansion of veneer due to moisture[/li]
[li]I suppose include axial shortening of studs due to strain.[/li]
[/ul]
As a rule of thumb they say to consider 1/10" per 10'.
Has anyone done this? Is it a problem for the architect to deal with say up to a 1/2" differential on his top floor windows?
I have neglected wood because there would be quite a bit of differential due to shrinkage etc, but same argument I suppose.
Thanks!!
EIT
It seems like the relief angles can really add to the cost of your structural steel (obviously). My first question is that the requirements in the new 2013 MSJC code seem odd.
First, I thought there was some language about if the differential movement was considered than relief angles are not required, however the code seems to plainly state that if steel stud backup is used then 30' is your max height (38' at gables). Did this verbage disappear?
Next, when they say "back-up" of cold formed steel studs, does it matter if they are load bearing or non-load bearing? I thought differential movement was the issue here so if they are simple infill studs and the structural frame is steel or concrete, does that make a difference?
Third here are my considerations if you were to omit the relief angles, any other suggestions?
CFS Bearing Wall System
[ul]
[li]1/8" per floor for "squashing" of the tracks[/li]
[li]Temperate expansion of masonry add to:[/li]
[li]Expansion of veneer due to moisture[/li]
[li]Neglect axial shortening of studs due to strain.[/li]
[/ul]
Structural Steel System
[li]Temperate expansion of masonry add to:[/li]
[li]Expansion of veneer due to moisture[/li]
[li]I suppose include axial shortening of studs due to strain.[/li]
[/ul]
As a rule of thumb they say to consider 1/10" per 10'.
Has anyone done this? Is it a problem for the architect to deal with say up to a 1/2" differential on his top floor windows?
I have neglected wood because there would be quite a bit of differential due to shrinkage etc, but same argument I suppose.
Thanks!!
EIT