Options to Modify Compound Weld Symbols in NX 7.5?

[MASawtell]

In need of some advice about Compound Weld Symbols in NX 7.5 - can they be modified from what the system is giving me currently to what is being asked for (as shown in the attached JPGs)? Off hand I am thinking of making a symbol, but I was hoping the Weld Symbol package has some functionality that I may not be aware of. Thanks in advance to whomever can give me an answer on this.

 

[MASawtell]

Looks like the original JPG, of what the symbol looks like now, did not show up - here it is with this post

 

[JohnRBaker]

I had no problem whatsoever creating a Compound Weld symbol using NX 7.5:

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[MASawtell]

John, have no issue creating a compound symbol in that manner - except that the checker is saying that is incorrect (citing AWS A2.4:2012). Per the checker, the 37.5° is to be below the Bevel Symbol and not to the right - for it is to show Groove Angle and Not Length or Pitch (AWS A2.4:2012, Page 3, Figure 3), which is what I made into the JPG in the initial message.

Side question from the Checker, per AWS A2.4:2012, Page 112, Figure 16, the all around symbol is to be about 4.5 mm(about 1/8") in diameter - NX is showing it at a smaller diameter.

 

[JohnRBaker]

Well, this is about as best as I can do with NX (note that the 'All-Around' symbol appears to be 4.5 mm as compared to the sketched 4.5 mm circle next to it):

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[MASawtell]

Hm... here is what I am looking at for 4.5 mm/.117 in Diameter Circle versus the All Around Symbol for mine.

 

[MASawtell]

Before I forget John, NX Patch level NX 7.5.5.4 MP8, 13Feb13

 

[MASawtell]

Where would I find the Weld Symbol Preferences in NX? Was just informed by the checker that he was told by GTAC once upon a time that NX could operate with more than one welding standard.

 

[JohnRBaker]

I was also using NX 7.5.5.4 but without any patches. Note that which welding standard is being used is defined as part of the Drafting standard, which can be modified at...

Customer Defaults -> Drafting -> General -> Standard -> Customize Standard -> Other Symbols -> Weld

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[MASawtell]

Thanks John, looks like I will have to talk to the Admins on site to get access to 'Customize Standard' to see what can be seen.

Also waiting on AWS on a question of standards with them. Will keep you posted.

 

[sam5a1]

I filed a PR for that very weld symbol issue with GTAC, as well as a couple others. So far there hasn't been any solutions from GTAC correcting these issues in 7.5.4.


Scott
NX 7.5.4.3
Tc 8.3.2

 

[MASawtell]

sam5a1 - would you happen to have the specific PR number? Be curious to see if it was resolved in NX 8 or 9.

 

[MASawtell]

John Baker - I have gotten an e-mail confirmation from Andrew Davis with the AWS that what was shown in first screenshot is correct - per Section 7.3.2, page 35 and Figure 21, Page 34 in the AWS A2.4:2012 Standard. So it looks like the NX Weld Symbol Package needs some tinkering. Have a feeling that NX 7.5 maybe to far behind for a patch update, but can NX 8.5 be updated, because it is showing the same functionality.

 

[MASawtell]

Would any know if there is there a particular group with GTAC this issue to be routed to?

 

[jerry1423]

4.5 mm =.177" not .117" as mentioned above
and .177" is more like 3/16" instead of 1/8"

 

[MASawtell]

Oops... still, digging into this issue with the IT staff at this moment.

 

[JohnRBaker]

If someone has already opened a PR, then it should have been routed to the proper group for consideration and implementation, and while I would expect that it will be addressed as some point, do not be upset if in the mean time you get a notification from GTAC that this PR has been converted into an ER (Enhancement Request) since the code may be working as intended based on the standards in place at the time it was written and therefore adapting the software to a more recent standard is technically an 'enhancement' and NOT a 'bug fix'.

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[MASawtell]

John, PR or ER, as long as there is some sort of trackable item that I can present to client management, so we can plan accordingly. As it stands, the Admins have looked into the option in the Customer Defaults, and found the following in the attached JPG. If I am reading this right, the AWS standard IS being used.

 

[JohnRBaker]

Yes, the default has been set to 'ANSI/AWS' and then locked by someone at a Group or Site level, thus preventing the average User from making any changes. And while this is where the defaults are set, as you can see, it's basically limited to picking a desired 'standard' and that's about it, no real 'customization' is possible.

As for tracking, as long as it's something that GTAC has initiated, they should be able to report to you the status at any time.

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[MASawtell]

Thanks John, I have received an IR from GTAC on the All Around Symbol Diameter issue - and sent them all of the screenshots they can handle. Hope to hear from them soon about that issue.