PowerGenJim
Mechanical
- Sep 12, 2017
- 2
I read the post about oxygen in transformer oil. I am assisting a client with a GSU issue that sounds similar, BUT different.
They have a >800MVA GSU with conservator, in service since late 2011. Looking at tests from 2015 thru last month August 2017, the unit has high CO (Condtion4 level of 1261 last month, CO2 at 4390, O2 at 14,000 and Nitrogen at 81,000. Moisture is excellent and steady at 0.1%by dry wt. Inhibitor levels steady at .25%. Unit has a continuous on line monitor that samples every 4hrs and agrees with lab results. Hydrogen varies from 15 to 80, Methane 3-18, Ethylene 3-5, and no ethane or acetylene and based on that I don’t have low or high energy arcing or PD at the top of my list as a cause.
Furnans are either not detected or <10ppb.
High CO is supposed to mean overheating but furans are zilch. Staff EE swears unit has no operating history of overheating. I know localized overheating can be masked when measuring bulk temp, and staff thinks they have a bladder leak in the conservator. That could explain high O2 and nitrogen, and you need oxygen to make CO and CO2.
I have asked them to plan to inspect all fittings, flanges, couplings etc in addition to inspecting the bladder leak for source of O2 and Nitrogen. Temperature degraded paper can also be a source but then where did N2 come from? What I can’t figure out is if air IS leaking into the unit, then I should see:
1) high nitrogen (which is high), TRUE
2) high moisture, which is not but could still increasing by absorbtion into the paper which gives a false assurance until paper is saturated but now FALSE
3) low inhibitor level as it should be consumed but has not changed even with high O2, FALSE.
So with some conflicting points, I recommend two paths-one, assume there is an O2 leak and look at all connections, flanges, fittings and bladder. And two, assume overheating is taking place and plan for possibility of localized overheating and do thorough IR from all four sides, and watch for gas generation, furans, and CO to go up and assume problem might require internal inspection
Any ideas?
They have a >800MVA GSU with conservator, in service since late 2011. Looking at tests from 2015 thru last month August 2017, the unit has high CO (Condtion4 level of 1261 last month, CO2 at 4390, O2 at 14,000 and Nitrogen at 81,000. Moisture is excellent and steady at 0.1%by dry wt. Inhibitor levels steady at .25%. Unit has a continuous on line monitor that samples every 4hrs and agrees with lab results. Hydrogen varies from 15 to 80, Methane 3-18, Ethylene 3-5, and no ethane or acetylene and based on that I don’t have low or high energy arcing or PD at the top of my list as a cause.
Furnans are either not detected or <10ppb.
High CO is supposed to mean overheating but furans are zilch. Staff EE swears unit has no operating history of overheating. I know localized overheating can be masked when measuring bulk temp, and staff thinks they have a bladder leak in the conservator. That could explain high O2 and nitrogen, and you need oxygen to make CO and CO2.
I have asked them to plan to inspect all fittings, flanges, couplings etc in addition to inspecting the bladder leak for source of O2 and Nitrogen. Temperature degraded paper can also be a source but then where did N2 come from? What I can’t figure out is if air IS leaking into the unit, then I should see:
1) high nitrogen (which is high), TRUE
2) high moisture, which is not but could still increasing by absorbtion into the paper which gives a false assurance until paper is saturated but now FALSE
3) low inhibitor level as it should be consumed but has not changed even with high O2, FALSE.
So with some conflicting points, I recommend two paths-one, assume there is an O2 leak and look at all connections, flanges, fittings and bladder. And two, assume overheating is taking place and plan for possibility of localized overheating and do thorough IR from all four sides, and watch for gas generation, furans, and CO to go up and assume problem might require internal inspection
Any ideas?