paints system on HDPE

[sunewu]

Looking for a paint system/UV material(s) to paint over molded HDPE material for outdoor application. Please help!

 

[MikeHalloran]

You can get HDPE compounded in a pretty good selection of colors, but it's basically not paintable.

Mike Halloran
Pembroke Pines, FL, USA

 

[sunewu]

Mike,

Thanks! We just want to add some custom colors with 'shading' effect onto our products. Plus, we're ready to energize the molded surface so we can paint it.

ew

 

[Demon3]

You might try adding a couple of percent maleated PE to give some polarity. A friend tried that concept in an ABS system and it improved adhesion ten fold.

As you said, oxidation by corona, flame or plasma would work too.

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[sunewu]

Dr. DeArmitt

Thanks! How about how to start a paint line?

What kind of paints and equipment should we go after?

ew

BTW, I have another non-paint related question posted: CaCO3. Could you please advise me on that one as well?

 

[patprimmer]

Painting can be done but is difficult. The addition of a second component to help paint stick as Chris suggests is a good one.

The successful history is with automotive bumpers in PP. They only performed in a barely acceptable manner with corona discharge, but as time went on, the alloys where developed and the problems of dimensional stability, impact strength and paint adhesion all improved a lot.

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[Demon3]

I know nothing about specific paints to use. Sorry.

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[patprimmer]

Akzo who I think is Sikkens and Bayer are both big in paints for plastics. Their tech support should help with primer selection. Once again automotive bumper practices should be a good starting point.

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[MikeHalloran]

If, like me, you have no personal experience with painting polyolefins in production, I suspect you might be underestimating the cost of the learning curve you face.

I remember a flurry of publicity maybe a decade ago about selecting a finish process for John Deere lawn tractor hoods/boots.

I think at that time they were very enthused about in-mold finishing, either with film or paint sprayed into the cavity. ... or I may be remembering something else.

Regardless, I examined an actual production part at a home supply store last week. The current part is injection molded in a custom color, that lovely JD green that clashes with everything including itself, not pre- or post- finished. The exterior surface was quite nice. The interior surface includes a recycling material designation, "PC-ASA", which doesn't ring a bell for me; maybe someone else can guess what polymer/alloy that suggests.



Mike Halloran
Pembroke Pines, FL, USA

 

[patprimmer]

Its a polycarbonate ASA alloy. ASA (Acrylonitrile Styrene Acrylate) is virtually ABS with the inherently unstable to UV light butadiene replaced with the much more stable to UV light Acrylate rubber.

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[CoryPad]

Polyolefins like HDPE are very difficult to paint as stated by others. For automobiles, the painting of these parts is enabled by the use of a chlorinated polyolefin primer. The large paint manufacturers like PPG, BASF and DuPont can provide this to you.