robroy1
Electrical
- Aug 13, 2003
- 4
Hello;
I am a new dog sniffing around for a scent of where to go on this subject....yes, this is in the line of duty rather than pure speculative fun..!
I am using a ceramic patch antenna, nice Q at 1575.42 L1 GPS frequency, return loss of 12-15dB (coaxially fitted for test), and I desire to make it mounted on a pcb, with the pcb transporting a coaxial termination from the edge (U.FL) of the pcb to the feed point of the ceramic patch. The patch antenna 15mm x 15mm is a purchased antenna which has a metallized surface on the bottom which I am soldering to the pcb, and a metallic feed rod that extends from the bottom of the antenna ~2mm (and connects to the element on the top of the ceramic antenna) which is plenty to poke through a fr4 pcb and be soldered to a microstrip comprised of pcb traces. Why would I want to do this crazy thing????, well I need a ground plane and the only way is to create one...I can use a pcb or I can use laser trimmed metal and pcbs are much cheaper and easier to redesign...or so I think at this moment.
Knowing little, and as I heard a rapper say "low budget high stakes gamble" (I dont listen to rap, but it was on when my wife was spinning the radio dial....or button) I am concerned that while I may be able to calculate the correct impedance for the pcb trace so that the impedance is what I think it should be (of which my ignorance rears its ugly head when I cast the ubiquitous 50 Ohms from my mouth and heart) it is unlikely that I will be able to correctly design this strip without additional information. First I really do not know what the "real" impedance of the antenna is and I dont have the equipment to measure it (assuming that I would be able to configure the measurement setup properly even if I had the equipment). I have asked the manufacturer for the information but I am waiting on the sales representative for that information. Secondly, in my imagination I think that I should design the pcb microstrip with tuning elements at least at the antenna end to provide a means to match the antenna. Can this be done with a simple PI network and can the components be pcb traces if the pcb manufacturing tolerances are achievable? I know that etching is a problem with pcb microstrips but I dont know what or where the limits are...of course in my dreams this was not a problem....! And would a PI network be the worst choice for a narrowband antenna?
Some additional details...Once coaxial, it then terminates on the GPS engine which on my inspection looks like a matching network feeding a Agilent ALM1106 amplifier. Coaxial feedlength expected to be no longer than three inches tops.
To sum it up from the ramblings:
PCB microstrip with tuning elements comprised of pcb features in copper and absense of copper, is this something that is doable and realistic?
What issues will I present myself by terminating coaxial transmission line to the pcb which then is soldered to the ceramic patch?
Am I headed of a cliff without a hanglider attached?
Cheers.
Rob
I am a new dog sniffing around for a scent of where to go on this subject....yes, this is in the line of duty rather than pure speculative fun..!
I am using a ceramic patch antenna, nice Q at 1575.42 L1 GPS frequency, return loss of 12-15dB (coaxially fitted for test), and I desire to make it mounted on a pcb, with the pcb transporting a coaxial termination from the edge (U.FL) of the pcb to the feed point of the ceramic patch. The patch antenna 15mm x 15mm is a purchased antenna which has a metallized surface on the bottom which I am soldering to the pcb, and a metallic feed rod that extends from the bottom of the antenna ~2mm (and connects to the element on the top of the ceramic antenna) which is plenty to poke through a fr4 pcb and be soldered to a microstrip comprised of pcb traces. Why would I want to do this crazy thing????, well I need a ground plane and the only way is to create one...I can use a pcb or I can use laser trimmed metal and pcbs are much cheaper and easier to redesign...or so I think at this moment.
Knowing little, and as I heard a rapper say "low budget high stakes gamble" (I dont listen to rap, but it was on when my wife was spinning the radio dial....or button) I am concerned that while I may be able to calculate the correct impedance for the pcb trace so that the impedance is what I think it should be (of which my ignorance rears its ugly head when I cast the ubiquitous 50 Ohms from my mouth and heart) it is unlikely that I will be able to correctly design this strip without additional information. First I really do not know what the "real" impedance of the antenna is and I dont have the equipment to measure it (assuming that I would be able to configure the measurement setup properly even if I had the equipment). I have asked the manufacturer for the information but I am waiting on the sales representative for that information. Secondly, in my imagination I think that I should design the pcb microstrip with tuning elements at least at the antenna end to provide a means to match the antenna. Can this be done with a simple PI network and can the components be pcb traces if the pcb manufacturing tolerances are achievable? I know that etching is a problem with pcb microstrips but I dont know what or where the limits are...of course in my dreams this was not a problem....! And would a PI network be the worst choice for a narrowband antenna?
Some additional details...Once coaxial, it then terminates on the GPS engine which on my inspection looks like a matching network feeding a Agilent ALM1106 amplifier. Coaxial feedlength expected to be no longer than three inches tops.
To sum it up from the ramblings:
PCB microstrip with tuning elements comprised of pcb features in copper and absense of copper, is this something that is doable and realistic?
What issues will I present myself by terminating coaxial transmission line to the pcb which then is soldered to the ceramic patch?
Am I headed of a cliff without a hanglider attached?
Cheers.
Rob