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Poorly paid, exploited, or typical? 11

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Pace82

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Oct 28, 2012
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I work of a small manufacturer of medical equipment such as power wheelchairs and hospital beds. This is my first position out of school (I graduated with a BSME in 2006). When I started I was offered a low wage ($18 hour) and told if everything worked out that would go up soon (this was told to me by my current supervisor, not the owner of the company, who has no authority to give me a raise). Six years later, Im being paid the same wage as when I started. Which, adjusting for inflation may be the equivalent of nearly a 9% pay cut. Im now going on 30 and living with my parents because my alternative is living alone in a crappy apartment paycheck to paycheck (yes, Ive ran the numbers for living in a cheap for the area 1 bedroom apartment and I would be lucky to save even $100 in a month and would probably be spending more than I make most months). As nice as it would be to simply ask for a raise, the owner of the company has historically given the impression (whether or true or not) that the company is just getting by. From talking to co-workers, it sounds like no one ever gets raises. The only story I have been told of an employee getting a raise (many many years ago), the employee ended up having to take the owner to court to actually get the money. Lastly, I am convinced, that the owner most likely believes he pays me and everyone else too much as opposed to too little. I have maintained a low level job search for the past year or so and other than a few interviews, there has not been much activity. I rarely see job postings for machine design or product design engineers.

In regards to my position, I pretty well do all of the new product design and development. I manage the projects (which is, in all fairness, mostly self-managment), design the new products, make all of the drawings for the components. Work with vendors to make the parts, lead design review meetings, create product manuals, train the production staff on how to assemble the new products, etc. The company I work for all makes a point to do custom one off products for patients with special needs, my supervisor handles most of these projects but I take on some of them as well. Currently, my most significant project is designing a new hospital bed that meets the latest standards. One of our vendors recently told me that every other hospital bed manufacturer has at least 3-5 engineers on a bed project; I am the only engineer working on this project. Im not saying that I believe I do the work of the 3-5 other engineers, its more probable that I am cutting corners if anything.

Anyway, what I dont know is if my story is more normal and just a reflection of a bad economy or if I am particularly hard up relative to others who graduated with engineering degrees in the past 5 or so years. Although, I believe a job is still better than no job, its hard for me to not feel exploited by this company given that they pay me at least $20k a year less than anyone else I know who has an engineering degree and is currently employed as an engineer. That all said, does anyone have an idea what a reasonable salary for the work I do would be? My work is relatively light on engineering calculations of any kind, but heavy on design creativity and solving difficult packaging problems (i.e. how to fit lots of features in small spaces that work for very very heavy people). I typically feel like I can do everything I need to do in 8 hours a day (or sometimes, much less). That is my main question for now. I will continue to crank out the best new products I can come up with for now, keep my eyes open for new oppurtunities, and also keep pursuing a graduate certificate and possibly masters degree (1 class at a time...paid out of pocket, of course). I would also appreciate any constructive advice for how to escape a dead end job and move forward. Particularly for someone who is not well connected and does not come from a family of college educated professionals.
 
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Everything is only worth what someone is prepared to pay for it, be that selling medical products or paying the guy that designs them.

To answer your final question find someone who is prepared to pay you more to do what you do, start your own company or move into a different field or choose another career. If none of those offer more money then no you are not underpaid.
 
You're 6 yrs into your career; at the least, you should have kept up with inflation. Exploited may be a bit harsh; the company may simply be unable to pay you more without going insolvent on their part.

Obviously, it'll depend on what part of the country you live in, and whether you're willing to transplant, but a new employer seems to be the most reasonable approach. If nothing else, your company now has the expectation that you'll suck up whatever they dish out, whether by malice or not.

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There are many criteria that help one define "job satisfaction" or "happiness." I was always given the lecture of "you are in charge of your own career." It seems you have gained six years of valid, valuable experience that is easily transferrable and in demand...somewhere. If you are not satisfied or happy, then chart your course, learn how to sail, and move on to other ports.

TygerDawg
Blue Technik LLC
Virtuoso Robotics Engineering
 
At six years into your career you should be making twice as much as you are now. The economy is a fair bit better with people with your level of experience, have you tried applying for some jobs outside of your company? You might get some bites.
 
Hi, I'm currently an intern for a manufacturing company too and I am halfway through my engineering degree. I make a 17$/hr salary. From your job description you seem to be doing a lot more than I am.

To be honnest, I think you should start looking for a new job if you don't get a decent raise.

Good luck
 
Considering the level of responsibility you've accepted, I figure you're underpaid by a factor of at least 4, not 2. Exploited is not nearly a harsh enough word.




Mike Halloran
Pembroke Pines, FL, USA
 
Being exploited and poorly paid is typical.

The only way you're going to make more money is to find a new job (easier said that done unfortunately).
 
My son (high school graduate, with 5 years in his current job) is making nearly $30/hour as a pumper in Oil & Gas in a small town in New Mexico and he gets time and a half for about 10 hours/week (nearly $70k/year) for an entry level job without a degree. You are making around $36k for doing what amounts to a nearly-senior Engineer job. When Engineers accept less than the median income of all households in the U.S. they are perpetuating the concept of Engineering as a commodity instead of a profession.

People working in mechanisms tend to make less that people working in fluids/thermo or HVAC, and people working in the medical field tend to make the least of the people working in mechanisms, but damn it you should be above median income ($50k at the end of last year, lowest since 1995).

David Simpson, PE
MuleShoe Engineering

"Belief" is the acceptance of an hypotheses in the absence of data.
"Prejudice" is having an opinion not supported by the preponderance of the data.
"Knowledge" is only found through the accumulation and analysis of data.
 
You are definitely being underpaid.

You can try having a sit-down with your employer. I don't think it is likely to result in you achieving a decent wage.

Your best bet is to find a good-paying job somewhere else. (IMO, of course)
 
If you talk with your employer, you might see a 10-15% raise. If you jump ship to a new employer I think you can expect at least a 100% raise. Probably not in the same industry or location. Just know that the grass is not always greener, and certain elements of your current job you take for granted may be sorely missed. You should have posted this 4 years ago.

"Art without engineering is dreaming; Engineering without art is calculating."

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I remember my first employer making a HUGE deal about me a "33% raise"... to 40k... A large % of a small number is still a small number.
 
In addition to concurring with the above, here is a suggestion - considering looking at the medical devices market for employment. There are jobs (in areas), they pay fairly well, and although most of these jobs are with high tech devices you have some degree of applicable experience that other designers do not. You may not move into a mid career position, but if your experience is enough to give you the edge to an entry level position you will still see a better salary.
 
I would disagree with zdas04 on the compensation of mechanical engineers in medical device companies. They make plenty of money at the big companies.
 
I've never worked in that industry. I had a professor in grad school who decried the low pay in the industry. He was wrong about a bunch of stuff, it is quite possible that he was wrong about that too.

David Simpson, PE
MuleShoe Engineering

"Belief" is the acceptance of an hypotheses in the absence of data.
"Prejudice" is having an opinion not supported by the preponderance of the data.
"Knowledge" is only found through the accumulation and analysis of data.
 
Finding a different position is clearly my only option, and that remains an easier said than done thing. Even if the job market is getting better, its still far from being so good any reasonably competent person can just step into another job on a whim. I did have an intern position my last year in school, it paid $16 an hour. Adjusting for inflation that is actually better than I am being paid now. When I took this position the $18 an hour was actually in line with what a few other positions I knew of were paying starting engineers. I was quite convinced that in 3 months or so after starting I would find out what they were really going to pay me (which I was expecting to be much more than $18 hour, at least $22 if not $25). Instead the economy tanked, things got worse, and I was part of a mass lay off at this same company (I was out for about a year before they called me back in...in the time I was out I did search for other jobs to no avail). When I started working again, the owner had frozen everyone's salary at 95% of what they earned pre-layoff. It has only been about a year to year and a half since they raised all the employee's back up to the exact same salary they earned prior to the layoff. So, most of the time Ive been with this company getting any kind of raise has simply not even been a possibility. Anyway, thanks for the feedback. I have been curious how my experience compares to others in the field.

 
You will never know unless you dust off your resume and see who is interested. You sound like a well-rounded engineer given your years of experience and scope of work. I strongly believe that "any reasonably competent person can just step into another job on a whim" if the conditions are right. You have half the solution, now you just need to find a company that didn't know they needed you and your skills.

"Art without engineering is dreaming; Engineering without art is calculating."

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