"celebrities" in engineering? 6

[MechanicalAnimal]

I wasn't sure where to post this question, this section ended up as the logical choice...

I'm sure we often encounter TV shows, interviews in the newspapers etc where "famous people" and "celebrities" are asked for their opinions on such and such, general things...
Very often, subjects of this media attention are musicians, writers, all kinds of artists, some just very rich people, sometimes famous scientists, physicians, psychologists, CEOs of big companies, other (famous) reporters... but very, very rarely - engineers? Even when doing a report on offshore pipe laying or automotive, they'll typically "expose" the management and the "common worker", not the engineers...

Also, in general public, nearly everyone will be familiar with names of various artists, scientists, etc. but mention an engineer's name? Maybe Diesel and Tesla will ring a Bell, ( ), but mention "Otto" (or even "Otto's engine")and very rare people will know who he was and what kind of an engine it really is.

I'd like your opinion on this? Are people generally not interested in engineers, is there simply not enough engineers to "go around" as "famous"? Were there any "famous" engineers, and what are their names? I'd love to read up on their biographies etc, and learn something about them...

 

[Ashereng]

Personally, I think engineers are boring. I am a member of the general public, and an engineer. I wouldn't be interested in engineers on a TV show. Not sure what that says.

On a different note:

Tesla!!!!!

http://www.teslamotors.com/

Does this make Tesla famous and well known to car enthusists? Oh, and GREEN to boot.

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[KENAT]

Isambard Kingdom Brunel was number 2 in a list of 100 greatest Britons.

Frankly, in my opinion, it was due more to the sales pitch made by the relevant presenter, Jeremy Clarkson, than to his inherant superiority over many other contenders.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/100_Greatest_Britons

None the less, gives us some hope!

http://books.google.com/books?id=sW...lwCc&sig=lZLa4QuZZ15116_qnYt1C_Su6Gs#PPA29,M1

Chapter 2 Seems to confirm that IKB did not have an Engineering Degree and did not even take a formal engineering apprenticeship so I suspect many will disqualify him from being an engineer on this basis. He did become a member of the Royal Society

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[kenvlach]

The American general public probably doesn't know any engineers (Edison & Ford being inventors) except perhaps for the famous locomotive engineer Casy Jones:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casey_Jones

 

[jmw]

Ah! but what is a celebrity?
As would appear from modern TV, a celebrity is anyone who has appeared on TV or in the movies recently.

So unless there has been a TV soap or a recent popular movie with Leonardo Di Caprio playing some engineer, that engineer isn't likely to be a "celebrity".
In other words, they will be a celebrity not for anything they did engineering wise but simply because they've been played on TV or in a film.
But anyway, on that basis I'd include Cathy as a celebrity engineer (played by Jaqueline Bisset) from the film Bullitt.
Loved the film but did anyone else find it painful watching Cathy coach Steve to help her with a pipe flow calculation?


JMW

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[jmw]

PS the car chase:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36MFh4of6lE

Some people say that the sounds are not those of the cars shown.... comments?

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[JAE]

MechanicalAnimal - your original post on this thread is, I think, a bit flawed in the original assumption.

You make the question: why aren't their celebrated, famous engineers out there?

I think the answer lies in the fact that [red]"celebrity"[/red] is by itself a construct of those in the media/arts.

And those in media celebrate [blue]THEMSELVES[/blue].

i.e. The Oscars, The Emmy's, etc. and all those entertainment shows that focus on....those that entertain.

The general public has very limited exposure to we engineers. Thus, there is very little interest.

And that is a good thing in my opinion.

 

[jmw]

JAE: we should like being mushrooms? (kept in the dark and covered in ......)
Perhaps so.

JMW

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[IRstuff]

Bzzz: Celebrity

noun: a widely known person (Example: "He was a baseball celebrity")
noun: the state or quality of being widely honored and acclaimed


Chuck Yeager is a celebrity, as are Apollo astronauts. What's his name, the screwball ski jumper WAS a celebrity.

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[KENAT]

A list of some famous engineers is toward the bottom, divided out by sector.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engineer

I looked at several of the engineers I listed originally and Barnes Wallace was the only one that appeared to have a university education.

(I meant to post this yesterday but it ended up on where is engineering going somehow thread730-198841)

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[JAE]

jmw,

I just don't want to be celebrated by the kind of people who tend to celebrate pondscum - which most actors and media personalities are.

 

[IRstuff]

You're stepping on Groucho's line:

Please accept my resignation. I don’t care to belong to any club that will have me as a member.

http://www.bartleby.com/66/19/38119.html

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[jmw]

In this context, I guess I have to concede the point to JAE though it would be nice if engineering could enjoy some celebrity status with Management, the shareholders, HR, the government, the education system, etc. ad nauseum.

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[msquared48]

You know, the only well publicized Structural Engineer I know of is in prison right now.

This is the public's image of us as peresented by Hollywood.
Then you have the Architect as played in "The Towering Inferno".



Mike McCann
McCann Engineering

 

[IRstuff]

Well, I'm sure that I'd personally wouldn't count Jessica Alba as "pondscum." But, I thought the whole point of the OP was whether engineers could attain celebrity status, which is not necessarily the same type of celebrity as Jessica Simpson's.

I just don't think that engineers' accomplishments, particularly contemporary ones, are sufficiently accreditable to a single individual amd can rise about the noise to make it into the spotlight. There's been much todo about "status" of doctors, but very few doctors rise to celebrity status, and it usually for doing something outrageously out of the box, like the Jarvik heart or Bailey, who performed a baboon heart transplant to a human.

In fact, those are good examples of the prerequisites for attaining celebrity; there needs to be a circumstance where the stakes are high and someone is willing to take on the risks. This points out two strikes against engineers for getting there, stakes are generally low and engineers are generally risk-averse. Thus, scientists and the like can attain celebrity when high risks are taken, such as in the case of Neil Armstrong, aeronautical engineer and professor of same:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Armstrong

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[doberdorks]

My votes

Adrian Newey (formula 1)
Leonhard Euler (as far as I can tell did all the engineering math ever)

SLH

 

[GregLocock]

ahem, Rayleigh (Lord Kelvin).

Wrote /the/ book on Acoustics more than 100 years ago.





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[GregLocock]

Ooops, I should give up parentheses for Lent. Rayleigh and Kelvin are different people.

Still, my point was that Rayleigh's original work is still definitive, and his papers are still referenced in modern day work.

"John William Strutt (Baron Rayleigh), The Theory of Sound, 2nd ed., rev. and enlarged, 2 vol. (1894–96, reissued 1945), remains a most important historical authority on nearly all aspects of theoretical acoustics. "

says the almost-as-innaccurate-as-wiki encyclopaedia.

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[zeitghost]

Hedy Lamarr pondscum?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedy_Lamarr

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[ewh]

Howard Hughes

 

[bridgebuster]

I just saw a brochure entitled "Is Engineering for Me" from American Council of Engineering Companies of New York, they list the following celebrities:

Neil Armstrong
Jimmy Carter
Alfred Hitchcock
Grace Hooper (who coined the computer term "bug")
George Ferris
Ryan Newman - NASCAR driver
Sue Ginter-Brooker - professional golfer
Montel Williams
Rowan Atkinson