edled
Structural
- Jul 19, 2012
- 12
Hello all,
We're working on a project using 240k capacity piles, in groups of 2 through 6. Pile diam = 18", spaced 27" O.C. typically. I've done my design using 3D strut-and-tie models, using tie forces to size the bottom reinforcing bars, and using normal one-way (never governs due to all piles being within critical section) and two-way shear methods to double check the depth I've chosen. It's my understanding, especially after reading "Design of Deep Pile Caps by Strut-and-Tie Models" (Adebar, Zhou, ACI Journal July-August 1996), as well as some AASHTO/DOT articles, that the reinforcing in my ties should be concentrated over my piles, thus creating true "ties" that are geometrically where I assumed they were in my STM. I've documented this by calling out separate "pile zone" reinforcing requirements.
Now naturally the contractor has come back to us and asked why we are doing this, and that the reinforcing needs to be distributed along the bottom of the pile cap. My colleague who has done a lot of concrete design in Europe scoffs at this, and insists that what we've shown is definitely doable. (For reference, the max we show is 5 bars in layer one and 3 bars in layer two over the pile "zone", which is a 2' wide zone centered on the pile). The main issue in the contractor's eyes, I assume, is the fact that there are the rebar cages coming up out of the piles.
Do any of you have experience trying to get contractors to group the reinforcing like this? If they really push back, the only alternative that I see is to just design the PC's based on the CRSI method. I was really enjoying figuring out how to do the 3D STM method though, and I feel that it is the most "correct".
Any and all feedback would be appreciated,
Ed
We're working on a project using 240k capacity piles, in groups of 2 through 6. Pile diam = 18", spaced 27" O.C. typically. I've done my design using 3D strut-and-tie models, using tie forces to size the bottom reinforcing bars, and using normal one-way (never governs due to all piles being within critical section) and two-way shear methods to double check the depth I've chosen. It's my understanding, especially after reading "Design of Deep Pile Caps by Strut-and-Tie Models" (Adebar, Zhou, ACI Journal July-August 1996), as well as some AASHTO/DOT articles, that the reinforcing in my ties should be concentrated over my piles, thus creating true "ties" that are geometrically where I assumed they were in my STM. I've documented this by calling out separate "pile zone" reinforcing requirements.
Now naturally the contractor has come back to us and asked why we are doing this, and that the reinforcing needs to be distributed along the bottom of the pile cap. My colleague who has done a lot of concrete design in Europe scoffs at this, and insists that what we've shown is definitely doable. (For reference, the max we show is 5 bars in layer one and 3 bars in layer two over the pile "zone", which is a 2' wide zone centered on the pile). The main issue in the contractor's eyes, I assume, is the fact that there are the rebar cages coming up out of the piles.
Do any of you have experience trying to get contractors to group the reinforcing like this? If they really push back, the only alternative that I see is to just design the PC's based on the CRSI method. I was really enjoying figuring out how to do the 3D STM method though, and I feel that it is the most "correct".
Any and all feedback would be appreciated,
Ed