Resignation 1

[Humble2000]

I had a bad experince in my previous job. I gave my resignation letter to the boss. 1 week before quit date.
I though this will give them enough time to wrap up the projects and other stuff.
BAD IDEA.....

They started being nasty.. at the end of the day they threted me like a criminal, checking the isntrument if they still there.. that was pretty offensive for me. I didn't go back the next day .

Now, boss in the new job which I am thinking about quitting too, has asked me to give him a 2 weeks notice if I decided to leave( 2 years ago)

why? I know in one day he can transfer the responisibilities. He is a kind of guy who just loooks at his side. It is very obvious for me 99% he will say don't come back if i give him my resignation letter today.

I will lose a 2 weeks pay. on the other side I need him to sign my professional documents to be registered.
Well, what do you think I should do?
any feedback is aapreciated.

 

[Heckler]

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[JStephen]

Normally, your supervisor, if a PE, would be one of your references, but that doesn't alway have to be the case. Read your PE rules carefully, maybe talk to the PE board if this is an issue.

If you're not too far from getting the PE, I'd suggest now is not the time to change jobs.

 

[TPL]

Two weeks notice??? I'm on two months, but I guess that's negotiable. Two weeks is nothing - just hand in your notice and see what happens - maybe they will want you to work 2 weeks, if things are quiet, then maybe they will say 'off you go', it really depends on what is happening around you r work area.

The whole point of a notice period is that both parties have time to adjust to the change - what you want to do is just walk out, possibly for at least the 2nd time in your career.

When I am interviewing for positions, I check for things like this - anyone can have a bad experience at work, its how you deal with it that interests me - just walking out and not following agreed procedures suggests someone who is not a team player and can't cut it when things gets tough.

I would also expect references from previous employers - not leaving on sensible terms from your last two jobs doesn't suggest that you will get a glowing reports.

 

[zdas04]

So what if you found your treatment offensive, you're leaving anyway. Give them your notice, then go to work every day until they tell you to stop or your 2 weeks is up. Sit at your desk and make sure your files are up to date,

Don't delete anything either paper of electronic. If you go through your electronic files, instead of deleting duplicates, create a folder called "Duplicates" and move them in there. Don't make copies of anything without explicit permission.

If no one talks to you and they monitor your Internet usage, just smile and be plesant.

David

 

[epoisses]

Why can so many companies not just break up like adults?

 

[swivel63]

i'm doing this tommorow....but i'm giving a month instead.

i think my boss and i have a pretty good relationship, so i hope there isn't any bad blood.

 

[tygerdawg]

Jobs & Bosses come and go all the time. Every job stinks and is painful at some time or other. Don't let your anger or frustration get the best of you.

Speak mano-a-mano to your boss, tell him you two need to work together to create a transition plan for your exit, because you wish to leave the company for other opportunities. Stay professional, the value of a clean exit and a non-negative reference is greater than the satisfaction of hurting the organization because you gathered up your marbles and went home on brief notice. You should take the high road. If the Boss takes the low road, then that's his problem.

TygerDawg

 

[whyun]

Two week notice is quite the standard here. If your contribution to the company was significant, company may try to negotiate longer than two weeks. Some companies may pay two weeks salary but ask you to pack up immediately.

Since you need his reference for your PE application one day, like others recommended, remain polite and professional.

 

[KENAT]

Is yours an 'at will' employer? If so as I understand it they can let you go the day you hand in your resignation letter without any compensation if they want.

This has happened several times at my place, especially for some of the chief scientists/applications guys when they wont give assurances they aren't going to the opposition or if they bad mouth their boss/the company as part of their resignation but I believe they did the same with some lay-offs before Christmas. Supposedly it's not uncommon these days, especially with the damage people can do with access to the company network. They literally got walked straight out the door and someone else emptied their desks and brought the stuff to them at a later date or similar.

However from the employee side, 2 weeks seems pretty standard in the US, I think it was one month for my job in the UK. Depends on your contract/letter of offer and/or any company policies etc.

The 2 weeks is to allow them to create a transition plan etc, however in practice they can usually hand the work over that day or it takes longer than 2 weeks to find and train a replacement so the 2 weeks is pretty arbitrary.

At the end of the day they probably can't enforce the 2 weeks but are unlikely to give you glowing references and if word gets around it could damage your reputation.

 

[TStaples]

Always give a minimum of 2 weeks notice, and try to allow for more, if possible. It is a lot of added burden on your supervisor and your organization to organize a transition. The first week is ususally wasted as they figure out what to do, and then the second week is a mad scramble to do whatever they can to facilitate a transition.

Here is a recent thread with some good tangential information.
thread731-178435


-Tony Staples

http://www.tscombustion.com

 

[josephv]

Hi Humble 2000,

I am confused, you said, "I will lose a 2 weeks pay.".

Why is that? Even if your employer asks you to leave right after you give notice, they have to pay you for the 2 weeks. This is the case in Ontario, not sure how it is in other places.

Anyways, good luck in everything.

Joseph

 

[casseopeia]

Wikipedia has a few good links about at-will employment here in the US.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At-will

You don't have to stick around for the two weeks, but it is probably a good idea to retain some future relationship, should that be necessary. Never burn the bridge if you can help it. Bring an iPod to work and tune out. Bring cake or some kind of food to let people know how much you have appreciated working with them.





"If you are going to walk on thin ice, you might as well dance!"

 

[corus]

My notice period is 3 months though technically you could just walk as they're not bound to keep you as it's tantamount to slavery or something. You are liable to be sued for breach of contract though, but it's rarely done. The employer, however, can't ask you to leave though it has been known for them to offer you full pay for the whole period of notice if you leave there and then. That's in the UK of course. Even in the US I would have thought you'd be covered by a contract of employment for which both parties have legal obligations. I'd contact a lawyer if you are covered by such rights. In the UK you can sue in small claims courts. Maybe Judge Judy can help?

corus

 

[KENAT]

So being relatively new to the states (from the UK) I could be wrong but, at least here in CA. If you're 'at will' then I believe they can 'let you go' with no notice.

My job offer made it clear it was 'at will'. So did the contracts/job offers on the other couple of menial jobs I had while waiting for this one to come along.

As such I doubt there is much that Judges Judy, Hatcher and Maybelline combined can do about it.

In some situations you can get other arangements in your contract but then I assume you're no longer 'at will', you are instead covered by your contract.

 

[IRstuff]

Frankly, I wonder if this is more about you and your attitude than about any company you work for. Based on fact that you've barely been at your current job for 2 years and your negative attitude about your boss, I'm not surprised that your company might want you out early.

TTFN

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[Humble2000]

Thank you very much everybody for valuable feedbacks.
Yes, I think I will go ahead and give my two weeks notice.
The issue is I have seen how my boss bad mouthed the other guys who quit.
He starts saying bad things about them that they weren't good or they ruin the company reputation and ...

I understand being a professional and deal with the situation ethically, however do you really think employers are dealing with situation ethically?


By the way, " Josephv"
I get paid for the hours worked, so if I quit in two weeks and I already had given my notice, does he still have to pay me for 2 weeks???

Is yours an 'at will' employer? Yes. He can let me go anytime he wants to!!!

 

[Humble2000]

One thing I forgot is that people in professional industry usually don't ask for references. why do they need references?
They know you are obligated by codes and regulations to follow and what they really care is if you can make money.

 

[Lion06]

Why would they need references? That is a silly question.
Sure, there may be codes that you are obligated to follow, but that doesn't mean you are competent enough to follow them all correctly or with the desired efficiency. Also, the code doesn't mandate critical, independent thinking. Following the code is only useful once the actual problem and solution are laid out for you. It is up to YOU, not the code, to define the problem and solution.

 

[TPL]

References help with things that canot be figured out from a resume, like the ability to get on with coworkers, accept authority, get to work on time, respect company rules etc

Consider that you might have two equally well qualified candidates applying for a single position.

The previous employer of candidate X provides a reference along the lines of 'We are really sorry to have lost X, a concientious worker and a good team player. The professionalism that X brought to the job and workplace was much appreciated by his/her coworkers and customers alike."

Compare this to the reference provide by the previous employer of candidate Y: "We can confirm that Y was employed by us in the position of Z between the dates of A and B"

Which candidate would you choose? Remember that its difficult (if not illegal) to provide negative references.