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Slide Rules. Collecting and discussing. 13

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Skogsgurra

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Mar 31, 2003
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Hello all,

You are invited to share views and thoughts about slide rules. I have been collecting these devices on a rather small scale and had fifteen of them when my collection took a quantum jump. I was visiting the local book store to buy a book on flowers (yes, flowers) when I happened to ask the store-keeper if he perhaps had any slide rules. He gave me a puzzled look and then said "Yes, I found a box with some forty old slide rules yesterday. I haven't decided what to do with them yet".

Need I say that I saved them from the scrapheap? I got a substantial addition to my collection at a price that we both were very pleased with. He because he got anything at all and I because I paid about a tenth of what I had expected to pay.

I have mostly European and Japanese slide rules. Faber-Castell, Aristo, Sun-Hemmi and some less known makes like Graphoplex (French), Diwa (Danish), Royal Slide Rule (British) and Eco Bra (can't make out from where it comes).

There is a certain standardisation among slide rules. There are the scale systems; Mannheim, Rietz, Darmstadt, Electro, Disponent and some other special systems. There is one that intrigues me. It is called Tachymeter and seems to have been used by surveyors. And there are probably many more that I haven't discovered yet.

The slide rules from the BHP era look very much the same except for the introduction of the Duplex slide rules in the late fifties/early sixties. That was also when some colour was added - except for the "reversed" scales (increasing from right to left instead of from left to right) which seems to have been coloured red for a very long time.

It was only AHP that design people started to make the slide rules more and more attractive. Mild colour coding, more scales and cursor lines, extra functions, friction areas to ease handling, table stands and more was added to keep a market that everyone probably already knew was lost. The last slide rules produced were sometimes monsters - or beauties - depending on your personal preferences. I, myself, think that the Faber-Castell 2/83 N (the N is important here) is a beauty. It is the longest 1 foot SR produced, I think. It has 30 scales and it even smells good!

Another favourite is the little FC 67/38b 400 grad Tachymeter. It is a favourite mostly because it is so enigmatic. What are sin.cos and cos2 scales used for? They are probably there for some very valid reason - as is the 1-cos2 scale. Anyone that has information about these scales?

Collecting slide rules appears to be the retired engineer's perfect hobby. We know a lot, but not all, about the objects. We can appreciate the good workmanship, the precision, the artistery and the ingenuity that went into their design and production. And we know how to use them!

There are a few other reasons that make them ideal collector's objects: They are no more produced. They are still available - although in limited quantity. They are not bulky - can be carried with you when meeting like-minded. There will probably never be a fake slide rule - it takes a very complex production facility to make slide rules and the last factory was closed in 1975.

It is a little like collecting Fabergé eggs - only so much cheaper and more interesting.

Comments and answers invited! Do you collect slide rules? Do you have specific knowledge about any special slide rule? What makes do you know about? How do you find them?

BHP = Before HP.

Gunnar Englund
 
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Thank you Gunnar. That is amazing!! I'm awed to think what it must have been like to see it "live"!

I'm sure you know that MIT got the K&E collection. I've seen on some sliderule sites where some people have been privledged to see it. I hope they plan an exhibit soon of them.

A star for the pics!
 
Yes, I saw about the K&E collection in the Journal of Oughtred Society. The items are kept in very well-made cupboards with drawers. So you do not see much until you open the drawers. I have a wide IKEA wardobe with lots and lots of shallow drawers for my slide rules. Not same dust protection, but you get an immediate feel for what's where - which I like and need.

Gunnar Englund
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Skogsgurra,
Yes, that is where I had seen it also in Journal of Oughtred Society. I'm in Vermont, so it will possible to go view the collection when it is put on exhibit.
I'll have to look at the IKEA catalog for the wardobe cabinet when my collection increases...or go for a visit to the store...great excuse for the meatballs they serve!
 
wbd,

I'll let you in on a secret: My wife makes a lot better meatballs than theirs.

The wardrobe is from the PAX series. Looks like this:

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Gunnar Englund
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Thanks for the picture...if I ever make it to the ancestral country of Sweden, I'll have to try everyone's meatballs. My grandmother, Gudren,(from Norway) used to make great Swedish meatballs for my grandfather, Thor, (from Sweden). They were great!
 
I guess that my wife has the same recipe then. We live in Sweden.

I think I spotted you on my map - Burlington?

Gunnar Englund
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Close, I'm in Rutland which is ~60 miles south of Burlington. We're right next to Killington Ski Area.
 
Skogs
I have had lots of Swedish meatballs via Minnesota. Do they make Swedish sausage in Sweden or is that a Minnesota invention. Like most sausage I'm not sure what all went in them but they did have a lot of potatos. Very good.
 
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luis
 

Skogsgurra,

Do you have this book.

Philip E. Stanley, A Source Book for Rule Collectors (Mendham, NJ: Astragal Press, 2003) ISBN 1-931626-17-0. Enquire at Astragal Press, 5 Cold Hill Road, Suite 12, P.O. Box 239, Mendham, New Jersey, 07945-0239, or at Astragal Press. The book is accompanied by a Concordance and Value Guide, of interest mainly to collectors. The current price is $45.00.

 
No, I haven't. Is it about slide rules in general or the K&E, Pickett etc, i.e. American SRs?

Gunnar Englund
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It looks like the book is on rules, measuring devices, in general but evidently has a lot of information on slide rules.

There is another article on slide rules on this page. The article on Descriptive Geometry brought back some tough memories from school.


These are a few of the informative articles from the site of Dr. James Calvert.

Anecdotal:
I had to take 2 quarter of Descriptive Geometry from a very knowledgeable but poor teacher. He would hit the class draw a few lines on the board along with one or two instructions and leave. In my second quarter the remaining students, mostly Korean War Vets got tired of his teaching approach and one day grabbed him and held him out the 3rd floor window and asked him to change his ways. Fortunately for all of us he started doing a little more explaining of the methods use in Descriptive Geometry. Somehow I managed to ace my final, a mine slope and intercept problem and get good grade for the course.
 
i was at a book store yesterday and they are selling perpetual calender paperweights at the counter that are slide-rulish. the owner said they were selling one for every 10-20 books. possible comeback in progress? environmentally friendly technology...
 
...I still keep my 3" circular sliderule in my briefcase, just in case the batteries in my HP-28C should happen to die when I need it.

...sure brings on the "stares" when I haul it out!
 
I mentioned on another thread that I was discarding a drafting table. We took it out this weekend.
In one of the drawers that I rarely opened, I found an ACU-MATH Mannheim type slide rule in a card board box, "the original box." together with instructions on how to use it.

It is a mystery to me how I came by this, because the one I always used to use was a K&E. Which of course I can now no longer find.
These all got shoved into drawers when I went to electronic calculators. Every once in a while I pull a slip-stick out to prove I can still use one.
B.E.
 
As I sit pondering this thread, I've dragged out my 6" Faber Castell 62/63 with the following scales (top to bottom, and I've had to take a few liberties )-

FRONT Fixed
K X^3
T1 tan0.1X
T2 tanX
DF PIX (folded scale)

FRONT Sliding
CF PIX (folded scale)
CIF 1/PIX
CI 1:X
C X

FRONT Fixed
D X
ST arc0.01X
S sin0.1X
P sqrt(1-(0.1X)^2

REAR Fixed
LL03 e^-X
LL02 e^-0.1X
LL01 e^-0.01X
W2 sqrt(10X)

REAR Sliding
W2 sqrt(10X)
L 0.5lgX
C X
W1 sqrt(X)

REAR Fixed
W1 sqrt(X)
LL1 e^0.01X
LL2 e^0.1X
LL3 e^X

I also had a similar 12" (it must be around somewhere) that I used throughout my 3 year HND engineering course and after at work (when I wasn't using Inskips Combined Tables!). This slide rule also had a "clip on" glass magnifier for the cursor, much better than the Aristo ones with a "half round" plastic magnifier that was part of the cursor.

Oh happy days..... as long as you remembered where the decimal point went!!!

But on balance the change to the metric system combined with battery powered digital calculators gave an order of magnitude increase in office productivity.
 
That's one of the finest half-size SR:s ever made. But I think that you shall have a closer look. The scale arrangement sounds like a 62/83. Isn't it?

And, you are absolutely right wrt the metric system.

Gunnar Englund
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PeterCharles: I used to know a Peter Charles G.... who did an HND at Leicester Poly in the 1970's - wouldn't haven't been you would it?
 
Skogsgurra: Sorry for the going off topic with the above post without apologising at the same time. A case of wirte it, submit it without thinking first.
 
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