Standard for Design of Pipelines 3

[WorcesterSorcerer]

We are designing a pipe system for transporting fluid, and wish to find a standard that defines the spacing of the various supports and other hardware that attaches it to the surrounding steel framework and ground.

Can anyone reference a good standard? Preferably a Eurocode, British Standard or similar that can be used in the UK.

Note: BS EN 1993-4-3:2007 , Eurocode 3. Design of steel structures - Pipelines appears to have been withdrawn, but I can't see what replaced it.



Thanks.

 

[1503-44]

What fluid? In what type of facility.

Pipe support spacing for gaseous piping discussed yesterday

https://www.eng-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=516860

--Einstein gave the same test to students every year. When asked why he would do something like that, "Because the answers had changed."

 

[WorcesterSorcerer]

Hi 1503-44

Its for water / effluent in a sewage water treatment plant.

That thread looks good , but your thoughts on a specific code would be very welcome.

Cheers.

 

[LittleInch]

I think what you're really looking for is a structural design code?

EN 13480 might be applicable here? Especially part 3.

https://knowledge.bsigroup.com/prod...ing-design-and-calculation-4?version=standard

There may be specific water industry council standards which are more applicable?

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[WorcesterSorcerer]

Hi LittleInch,

That's great - thank you. Just what we're looking for. We'll check with regards to specific water industry council standards. Good point.

 

[LittleInch]

That's ok.

One other point though and that you seem to be referring to pipes, not pipelines. There is a remarkably big difference between the two so be sure to use the correct wording when you're looking for things.

EN 13480 is not my area of expertise as Oil Gas and chemicals tends to use ASME B 31.3, at least in the UK. EN 13480 is more commonly seen in continental Europe in my experience.

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[WorcesterSorcerer]

Hi LittleInch , thanks, we'll take a look at the ASME guidance too.

 

[XL83NL]

The main question might be, like LI said; do you have piping or pipelines? EN 13480 might not be suited for pipelines.

Huub
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[WorcesterSorcerer]

Hi XL83NL,

Thank you. We are looking at a pipe system that is enclosed within a skid framework, which is no larger than say a freight container. Would 'pipelines' be more applicable to larger systems? i.e. those are crossing larger areas. If not , are you able to suggest a relevant standard for pipelines please. Ideally one that is used in the UK or Europe.

Cheers.

 

[LittleInch]

Worcester,

The definition is a bit vague, but in general "piping" covers all pipe within a certain fenceline and certainly within a skid. Size of the pipe is irrelevant as is the area it take sup

Pipelines tend to be longer distance and between facilities where the pipeline runs in land owned by third parties and / or accessible to the general public. Note that pipeline standards continue into facilites to the end of the pipeline

In the UK, the key PIPELINE design standard is BS PD 8010 part 1 and part 3.

In Europe it's EN 14161 (except for Gas pipelines which is EN 1594 plus local codes (each country tends to have thing sover and above EN 1594.)

Remember - More details = better answers
Also: If you get a response it's polite to respond to it.

 

[WorcesterSorcerer]

Thank you LittleInch, that's a great help.

 

[1503-44]

Just beware that a pipeline may at times may include skid mounted items and extend into a plant of some kind, which may cause the design code differ from the normal "piping" code. If the item is not associated with anything outside a plant, your probably for sure dealing with plant piping.

--Einstein gave the same test to students every year. When asked why he would do something like that, "Because the answers had changed."

 

[WorcesterSorcerer]

Thanks 1503-44 , noted.