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Steel Floor on Permafrost

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aayvat

Structural
Oct 10, 2008
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CA
Hi everyone,

I'm working on a project in a remote region of continuous permafrost in northern Canada. The average permafrost temperature is -8deg C, active layer is approx. 3ft. My client has an existing structure in place; a steel structure on concrete foundation walls, columns on pilasters and footings. The building size is about 30ft x 75ft. The foundation walls are 5ft high, with about 3ft in the earth. The exterior of the foundation walls are covered with 4in rigid insulation. There is also 4in of horizontal insulation underneath the building (T.O. insulation is B.O. foundation wall). Above this layer of insulation is 1.5ft crushed stone, followed by 8in sand w/ PVC membrance, and the top layer is 8in crushed stone. The floor finish is currently crushed stone.

My client has asked for the design of a permanent steel floor and proposed to have the floors supported on piles. A concrete slab is not preferred. My understanding is that the building has been designed to retain heat inside the building and the insulation prevents the heat from transferring to the frozen earth below the building, and so, the permafrost remains frozen and settlement is minimized.

By installing piles, as proposed by the client, the permafrost below the structure will be disturbed during installation. I also believe the pile will act as a break in the thermal gap formed by the insulation. The heat transferred from the inside of the building through the pile can thaw the surrounding permafrost, resulting in annual settlement. Is it correct to assume this?

There are options to keep the piles from transferring heat to the surrounding soil, like artificial refrigiration and insulating the piles. These may be costly solutions for such a remote site.

Another idea is to provide intermediate pilaster/footings at 15ft and support the floor beams on the existing and new intermediate pilasters, but I'd like to keep the floor seperate from the existing structure. Is building a floor directly on the crushed stone a reasonable solution?

Are there any permafrost specialists out there that can inspire me with their two cents? I've attached a sketch showing a section of the current building and my concern with installing piles.
 
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How is the insulation configured around the existing foundation wall footings and interior column spread footings? It looks like you show it going through the footing.
 
The insulation is placed on top of the footings, below foundation wall.
 
What is now, and might be after the mods, for the air flow below the building?
 
There is no air flow system in place below the building. The building has 4" rigid insulation along exterior of foundation walls and a horizontal layer of 4" insulation 3ft below the grade of the interior of the building. The heat is kept inside the building and I imagine that the insulation is in place to keep the heat of the building from disappating to the surrounding frozen soil. I'm looking for a solution to design a steel floor system for the interior of the building (elevated or on grade, supported by piles or footing).
 
I'm still not sure I understand what is holding the foundation wall up if the insulation is between the wall and the strip footing. If the insulation is discontinued at the footing then you already have a break in the insulated boundary.

What are the loading requirements for the floor? If it is only for uniform occupant loads then something supported on the gravel may work fine. The system may require occasional adjustment however similar to modular homes supported on gravel and bearing pads.

If the loads are more significant I would think about putting spread footings below the existing floor insulation and then pouring a pad above the insulation to directly support the floor system.

I would probably work with a geotechnical engineer for assistance with foundation recommendations. I am sure they have faced the same questions many times.
 
I am no expert on permafrost, but I worked on the DEW line for the first year after graduation (1955). Most of our structures were placed on thick gravel pads, but one site with a scarcity of gravel used timber piles. These would not conduct heat to any extent.

The piles were steamed in butt end first and allowed to re-freeze. When thawed, the permafrost in the location I inspected was like a bog, but I understand that is not always the case.

What is the depth of your permafrost and what is it's consistency when thawed?

BA
 
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