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Nobody finds it ironic that Russia marched into Ukraine under Obama's watch, had their Nord Stream 2 project halted under Trump due to sanctions targeting contractors, and are now gearing up for completion under Biden?
 
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Err they started laying pipe in 2018 and put down 1100 km of it.

And they were gearing up for completion October last year.

Germany's energy plan hinges on it being complete. Short of starting ww3 blowing it up I can't see it being stopped.

The end game started 12 months ago.
 
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It's all politics... The alcohol impared Russian leader, stupidly, let the Ukraine have Crimea... a key strategic 'spot' and the residents of Crimea did not want to be part of the corrupt Ukraine, and decided 'on their own' that they wanted to be free. Depends on how you 'spin it'. As far as sanctions go... it was the sanctions that the US placed on Japan, a while back, that...

Rather than think climate change and the corona virus as science, think of it as the wrath of God. Feel any better?

-Dik
 
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I am not shore who would befit by the Northern Sea Route If there isn't container ships stuck in the Suez canal, you can have icebergs, ice blockage, ice stormy seas.
All routs have there problems, you might need a combined tugs and icebreakers.
I think, I would rather bee stuck in the Suez canal then in the Arctic Ocean.
I am not even shore it is closer for anyone. [ponder]

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You certainly will see no advantages to any polar route looking at a Mercator projection map.

Yes, you are right. The Fortuna is working. I didnt know that. I also thought that no harbors were openly cooperating, so they must be going very slowly if they are getting their pipe and consumables barged to them from a Russian port. Last I heard was that Germany was complaining, but complying with US demands.

 
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RedSnake said:
I am not even shore it is closer for anyone.
Click to expand...

The earth ain't flat... the potential impact of a shipping lane opening year round through the arctic is huge.

One of these routes is WAY shorter than the other... hint, it's the green one.

600px-Azimuthal_equidistant_projection_SW_vkmmr7.jpg
 
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Okay what you mean is that, if you are going by ship from China or Vladivostok to "England" it is.
I guess for the rest it's still longer. ;-)
Not much traffic from Vladivostok by the way.

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“Logic will get you from A to Z; imagination will get you everywhere.“
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You're right, shortening shipping routes from Chinese ports doesn't mean much. That only accounts for 7 of the 10 largest ports in the world by tonnage per year.
 
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[lol]

...and in going to the states, the Canadian northwest passage offers a much shorter route, too...



Rather than think climate change and the corona virus as science, think of it as the wrath of God. Feel any better?

-Dik
 
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On the big blue marble ... Distances can be deceiving.

Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam is exactly 16,500 km to Rotterdam, by either route.

From Australia, neither route has any appreciable advantage in distance over the other..

Strangely enough, for Asia to Rotterdam OR NYC, the Northwest Passage is also nearly equal to the Bering Strait- Iceland route.

Sydney to NYC is only about 1000km less going through Panama then using the NW Passage.

Sao Paulo to Suez is the same distance through the Med or passing down around Good Hope.

NYC is the same distance to the entire east coastlines of the North Atlantic Ocean, from Boda, Norway to Senegal.

And for what its worth, NYC to Panama is the same distance as NYC to Houston.

Hokie, edited to address your comment. Thanks.
 
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Now that the 'Ever Given' has been unstuck and traffic in the canal is moving once again, it appears that QAnon followers may drop a conspiracy theory which was starting to develop among the unhinged. Now it was never really made clear what the theory was actually built on except that there had to be a reason behind this obviously well-planned 'accident'. After all, it had a world wide impact. It involved something that very few people had any first hand knowledge of or experience with, always good when dreaming of good conspiracy theory. And last but not least, Hillary Clinton was involved. HUH!!!!

Well, after all, during her years as the First Lady, the Secret Service code name for Hillary was 'Evergreen'. It was written on the side of the ship in big bold letters. And what more does a group of QAnon nutcases need to convince themselves that they're on to something? However, since the crisis is now over, and they didn't need to destroy the ship, and whatever secret cargo it might have been carrying, and nothing happened elsewhere in the world as a result of this six-day drama, it must have been a false alarm. But for many of the true believers, they really thought they had nailed it this time.

Note that this is not an April Fools joke, there actually was a lot of conspiracy theory buzz out there on the fringes, including the above QAnon near-orgasm, as to what this was really all about. Even here in this threa, there was speculation about potential military players, state-supported or otherwise, involved in this incident. And if not this time, talk about this giving those parties ideas for next time.

John R. Baker, P.E. (ret)
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Sources? It had better not be Mother Jones. You're sounding like the wack job conspiracy theorist with this post.
 
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It originated in a podcast reported on by 'The Daily Beast' (that's where I first heard about this story).

'USA Today' even ran a fact check on it, as it was getting so much buzz:

Fact check: No evidence of Hillary Clinton link with ship stuck in Suez Canal, trafficking


John R. Baker, P.E. (ret)
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Irvine, CA
Siemens PLM:
UG/NX Museum:

The secret of life is not finding someone to live with
It's finding someone you can't live without
 
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I'm wondering if John is actually QAnon. He seems more interested than anyone else, and is keeping the rumors alive.
 
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Hey, I provided two sources to support where I heard about this. When challenged, how many times have any of you been able to do the same?

John R. Baker, P.E. (ret)
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Siemens PLM:
UG/NX Museum:

The secret of life is not finding someone to live with
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