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Come on people, please keep the pub / hobby chat for the pub / hobby forums.

The engineering and failures forum isn't the place to be chatting about beer and coffee.

I'm tempted to red flag the last 20 posts here, but you can delete up to a few days.

Please.

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What were the actual financial damages to the canal authority, it must be asked.
Also, it appears the EverGreen is a hostage in her present location. Suez Canal Authority being EverGreedy?


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Well they will claim that some ships went via the Cape rather than joint the queue, a few might have had to discharge live animal cargo, we don't know who or how the salvage tugs got paid for, especially the big ocean going ones which eventually turned up or the multiple small ones owned by the SCA.

Ship "salvage" is a utter mine field dating back to mediaeval times when it comes to who is owed what as a percent of the ship value AND cargo.

Not quite sure exactly how their "reputation" has been damaged other than showing everyone that their pilots appear to be expensive passengers, but I'm sure they will make something from it.

But for sure the SCA just see this as cash cow that they've taken effective hostage.

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The preponderance of opinion suggests to me that the Suez Canal is prone to this sort of problem, and that the operators bear some responsibility.

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The first was $916 million.
$300 million claim for a salvage bonus
$300 million for “loss of reputation”
And I guess 316 million for loss off something [ponder]

Then they went down to $600 and then to $550 million.

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The pilots and the crews are famous for being a waste of rations and they make a habit of trying to eat the whole length of the canal or sleep. Only thing they are bothered about is hitting their entrance time. Then they go to sleep or start eating
 
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Obviously there where a discussion between SCA pilots and its control center over whether it should enter the canal or not.
And there should have been tugboats before, not after ;-)

/A


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The one behind told them to sex and travel.

Then the one behind that did as they were told and nearly crashed as well
 
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It will be interesting when the northern route opens up...

Rather than think climate change and the corona virus as science, think of it as the wrath of God. Feel any better?

-Dik
 
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Now apparently court hearing delayed again to 4th July.


The gap is narrowing a little bit - $150M vs $550M.

Can't see the Egyptians settling for less than $300M myself...

Oh and thanks posters for cleaning this thread up a little bit. Let's remember this for future postings please... [2thumbsup]

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John's article misses a key point, the ships are waiting at their destinations so speed can't be an issue.
 
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I thought the article downplayed the role that speed plays in today's maritime operations, particularly when it comes to container ships since it mentions that operators have been trading efficiency for speed for some time now.

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In the late 90's and early 2000's it seemed most panamax containerships newer pushing 50-70k horsepower which could net them speeds in excess of 24 knots, Some very large ships were approaching 100k horsepower. Nowadays, moat ships are still 50-70k horsepower but are 3x the size which cuts their top speeds. The Maersk Triple-E was the first example of the slow steaming fuel efficient very large containerships.

Despite record cargo volumes, my company is having an average year. The ships are here waiting, the ports just can't handle them. We towed in a burned out ship 2 months ago that was headed to Long Beach. I don't think it can even get in the que to be unloaded so it's just been sitting at the dock.
 
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They've been excluded from the carbon footprint talks... they're terrible and if a clean environment becomes an issue... they are in for some serious changes.

Rather than think climate change and the corona virus as science, think of it as the wrath of God. Feel any better?

-Dik
 
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Comparing the size of a Very Large Container Ship with an Aircraft Carrier, is nuclear an option?

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Was reading about the ping pong game of blame on way they are having issues in the US

Port authority want Asian style automated container handling

Unions say no it's not a productivity issue it is a supply chain issue moving it onwards.

Supply chain saying it's a red tape issue getting product release.

Red tape say they provide enough man power for the productivity levels.

And start the circle again.

Seems on the west coast it's easier to go to Canada and off load there.
 
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