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Temper Tantrums are not OK 17

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Sparweb

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May 21, 2003
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Emotional meltdowns shouldn't happen at the workplace.

Not all of us have rock-solid feelings, especially when we are passionate about the job we do. I know from personal experience how hard it is to not bite somebody's head off when they are in my way. However, problems at work can lead to feelings of frustration or even anger when you come up against them. Don't blow your lid off. Whether it's a coworker or a subordinate who doesn't see things your way, made a mistake, or actually failed to do something you trusted them to do, give yourself time to cool down. You still have to talk about it, but only after your brain has started thinking again.

From a practical side, most people will feel bad about a mistake if you tell them about it, no need to shout them down, too. Remember that you still have to work with them tomorrow. They have to trust you tomorrow. And if you're a manager or a business owner, the odds that they'll be buffing up their resume tomorrow goes up if you lose your temper today. Moderating your temper should be a part of your preparation for your management role, so use it.

Many companies in North America now have a "Progressive Discipline" policy, which forbids this behaviour. Depending on how it's written, they may also forbid this with their "Workplace Violence" policy. I can't speak for other places in the world, but it's a common western thing, now. I think it's step forward. Going off the deep end as you confront a colleague about a mistake can actually put YOU in the wrong. Watch out, lest your temper bring the HR wrath upon you. Companies whose policy includes an obligation to report unruly behaviour may earn you more than one simultaneous report for just one outburst!

Before taking that as my absolute position, I'm also thinking about the degree of the problem - it makes a lot more sense to be angry if someone's negligence or deliberate action put another person in immediate danger. I know that I would be more than just assertive in a situation like that. Another dimension is whether you are working with professionals or laborers. I think the difference is obvious, that the tolerance for losing one's temper among professionals is much, much lower than it is when supervising laborers. Also, the amount of force needed in the control system is correspondingly different, sometimes.

For everything else, maintain your professional decorum at all times.
 
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1gibson,

Back in the day that was dismissed as 'Bill just being Bill', and we've all encountered one or two of them.
But if employers knew how much staff turnover was precipitated by a tiny handful of such people, they would be more proactive about matters. Good employees don't give a lot of warning, they have options, and they will vote with their feet.

"Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts."
 
CWB,
How is it that I'm sure we'd get along famously in real life, but the filter of the internet makes us cross swords here? Thanks for the story.

Apologies if I ever come across as crass, that's not my intention. Not sure how anybody else enjoys forums but I rarely comment unless I have a story to share, disagree with most, or am particularly interested in a subject so may come off either "preachy" or "disagreeable." I usually just scroll past threads with mostly correct responses. I rarely notice or remember names here and only dislike one person (not you), but I disliked them from discussions we had offline before joining the forum.

Full disclosure: I also do believe strongly in holding ourselves to very high standards, speak plainly most of the time, and casually cuss like the Europeans. IME design reviews are the "safe space" to freely tear apart others' work and expect the same. I'll never tear apart another person and dont care to nitpick tiny details like fastener placement or hose routing efficiency, but the engineer had better have done diligence on sizing, materials, and other critical characteristics to ensure their design works or I will casually call it shit before suggesting we hit the bar and start fresh tomorrow.
 
I agree that throwing a fit just because someone made a honest mistake is completely uncalled for. However most of the responses above are pinning the blame for this solely on the individuals who lose their tempers, but I think company culture plays a role in this as well. In my experience poorly managed/mismanaged companies seem to have a lot more occurrences of these type of outbursts than well managed companies.

Training and retaining a staff of quality employees is hard. Overloading the few competent employees in your staff is easy. Hiring a person with technical expertise who can reduce the workload for key employees is expensive. Hiring a Project Engineer with no technical knowledge to harp at key employees about meeting project deadlines is cheap.


-Christine
 
I've heard it said:

"You are no better than the worst thing you tolerate."
 
WindWright said:
but the filter of the internet makes us cross swords here?

We all have always had bad or hateful or inappropriate thoughts. The internet is not a filter, it is what breaks down our filters and other behavioral guardrails. The big web companies have armies of twisted psychologists working on perfecting their exploitation techniques.

I've come to consider (anti)social media as a mind reading technology that persuades us to type all our worst thoughts. Then through the magic of scale and anonymity it magnifies and multiplies those bad thoughts into screaming contests and even movements (no examples of which I will glorify by naming here). We've lost the social restraint (peer pressure?) imposed by physical community and of working together in the same space. Stupidity and conflict tend to win out over rationality and goodwill in the algorithm, and that is by design.


"Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts."
 
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Christine74 said:
I agree that throwing a fit just because someone made a honest mistake is completely uncalled for. However most of the responses above are pinning the blame for this solely on the individuals who lose their tempers, but I think company culture plays a role in this as well. In my experience poorly managed/mismanaged companies seem to have a lot more occurrences of these type of outbursts than well managed companies.

I have no sympathy for bad tempered people. When they punch you in the face, it is because you made them lose their temper.

In a competent, professional environment, everybody respects everyone else, and there are no tantrums. There are many ways to run an incompetent, unprofessional environment. Tolerate (or be) arrogant, egotistical pricks. Force competent, productive (and possibly arrogant, egotistical) people to work with idiots.

--
JHG
 
TigerGuy,

I wonder if Schulz was consulted by the person grafting their message onto his work. We know he wouldn't have said such a thing.



"Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts."
 
TheTick said:
I've heard it said:
"You are no better than the worst thing you tolerate."

And I've heard that statistically,
"Your financial success in life correlates strongly with the zip code you were born in."

End of comment. Because quotes and clichés get none of us anywhere.

"Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts."
 
All true, Christine74. Thanks for your post.

I've suffered several toxic* workplaces and in the end you realize you have to look out for No. 1, even if it costs financially.

* not trying to be dramatic

"Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts."
 
Sad but true. The frog in slowly heating water metaphor comes to mind.

The so-called Great Resignation is happening in part because folks have been forced to spend time alone with their thoughts.

"Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts."
 
forced to spend time alone with their thoughts.

... and then later return to the same chaos. They said "no thanks".
 
The so-called Great Resignation is happening in part because folks have been forced to spend time alone with their thoughts.

Or maybe, they realize that life is REALLY too short to be continuing to work, putting off that round the world cruise, or Great American novel, or whatever. Lots of things can kill you before you get around to, or finishing, your bucket list.

However, the reality is that few people can live off their savings. Median savings for retirement age people was only $65000 in 2019, but average was closer to $250000, which means that the top percentiles have LOTS of savings, but way more than 50% have barely a year or two of savings.

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My personal experience disagrees with the "great resignation" dissatisfaction theory and honestly, I'm not buying it. I think there are other explanations for recent labor statistics. Downturns/disruptions/etc tend to push a big number of older folks into retirement, so no doubt many of them have left employers. Early and mid career employees today are expected to job-hop, so many of them (including myself) have done so for better opportunities, further increasing the numbers of employees leaving who aren't really "dissatisfied" much less angry. Some fields lost many due to vaccine mandates. The other reality I've seen exasperating the situation has been the unemployment benefits. The (now-expired) federal UI increase received the most attention, but many states went nutty otherwise blocking landlords/creditors/etc and providing benefits to folks who didnt qualify including paying many spouses and kids who hadn't worked recently or ever.
 
My one bumper sticker on my old Cooper was, "Support Mental Health, or I'll Kill You." Is that a temper tantrum?

Rather than think climate change and the corona virus as science, think of it as the wrath of God. Feel any better?

-Dik
 
or a bent sense of humour... [pipe]

Rather than think climate change and the corona virus as science, think of it as the wrath of God. Feel any better?

-Dik
 
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