The attack sub USS Connecticut, involved in an underwater collision in the South China Sea... 20

[dik]

Rather than think climate change and the corona virus as science, think of it as the wrath of God. Feel any better?

-Dik

 

[dik]

not even a tiny one? With apologies to Monty Python...

Rather than think climate change and the corona virus as science, think of it as the wrath of God. Feel any better?

-Dik

 

[AutisticBez]

You think the Chinese might have anti sub equipment? Just deliberately drop containers into the sea?

 

[Alistair_Heaton]

I suspect the sea floor is cover with crap thats fallen off ships over the years.

It could have been a ship wreck they hit.

UK waters they tend to drag a wire across them when they know about them.

I don't expect they do anything with them in that part of the world.

 

[Comcokid]

AutisticBez - you stated what I've been thinking. China has been trying to claim the South China Sea and is building islands. Lots of international conflict. I wouldn't put it past China to create a underwater hazard just for subs. Maybe cable together several shipping containers with slight positive buoyancy anchored to another one firmly on the bottom. Fill them with the right goods and it looks like lost cargo. I can't imagine a sub fast cruising with 10 feet under the keel where they might hit lost cargo. But I could see one doing so with 50 or 100 feet under the keel.

 

[thebard3]

That's an interesting theory; using disguised shipping containers to create an unmapped minefield of navigation hazards. It would be difficult to prove and even more difficult to enforce any kind of sanction against China.

Brad Waybright

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[spsalso]

...using disguised shipping containers to create an unmapped minefield of navigation hazards. It would be difficult to prove...

I think it would be easy to prove: You go back to the area and find the rest of the minefield that WASN'T hit by the submarine.

In this case, shipping containers concealed behind fake mustaches and sunglasses. Sorry, couldn't help it. But what would the "disguise" be? And let's not forget that if you found one of these, it would be very obvious that it was done by intent: you have the disguise, and you have the container inside. HOW does China explain THAT?

What one might do is just use 40' containers on end. "I guess they just landed that way." You only get 40', but that might be enough. But it does look suspicious. And likely pretty findable for anyone using active detection.


spsalso

 

[bones206]

So the Chinese placed a shipping container precisely into the path of a stealth submarine? That's pretty far fetched even for a Clive Cussler novel.

 

[zeusfaber]

Would explain the worldwide container shortage though.

Mercy sakes alive, looks like we got us a conspiracy!

A.

 

[GregLocock]

Given that when containers fall off ships they disappear by the hundreds, a whole cluster of them isn't all that unlikely.

https://www.freightwaves.com/news/storm-beaten-one-apus-berths-in-japan

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[FacEngrPE]

And the occasional fishing trawler catches a submarine, it just happens.

Lots of incidents, here is one.

https://www.deseret.com/1989/11/2/18830615/fishing-boat-catches-a-soviet-sub-in-its-nets

Try this search

https://duckduckgo.com/?t=lm&q=fishing+trawler+submarine&ia=web

While china may have, and is certainly capable of constructing boobytraps, there are likely plenty of uncharted natural hazards. I doubt a conclusion of nefarious intent is warranted at this time.

 

[hokie66]

Surely the Navy knows exactly where it happened, so hopefully they are exploring that area.

 

[spsalso]

Submarines skulk. Sometimes they skulk near "special places". Sometimes those special places attempt to be unwelcome to skulkers.

The US Navy may well release location, speed, direction and purpose regarding this sub. Perhaps it will be true.


spsalso

 

[itsmoked]

Mercy sakes alive, looks like we got us a conspiracy!

Keith Cress
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[verymadmac]

So the Chinese placed a shipping container precisely into the path of a stealth submarine? That's pretty far fetched even for a Clive Cussler novel.

But if one applies AI to the problem of likely submarine paths in a complex environment (shallow waters,confined space, acoustic monitoring stations, natural hazards and likely targets etc) there is likely to be only a few tracks the submariners will pick after which a couple of ship loads of containers is a really cheap effective defence (or even just move defence elements so the USN may drive into a obstacle that is only on the PRC charts) .

 

[itsmoked]

Containers with terminal guidance.

Keith Cress
kcress -

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[AusG]

A black flag operation involving submersible tar kettles. It's the only possible explanation.

 

[bones206]

Wow guys we are really starting to connect the dots here. Now let’s find the link to the Wuhan Lab!

Putting sarcasm aside for a second, yes it’s possible The Chinese military could be involved but I find it much less likely than a more innocuous explanation. It’s a pet peeve of mine when people start buying into bad guy du jour hype and otherism. It’s not like the US navy doesn’t have a track record of running into things.

 

[LionelHutz]

The thread is so stuck on shipping containers that it might take 13 continuation threads to exhaust that possibility.

 

[waross]

How about a container loaded with submersible tar kettles and about to be black flags?
Or, most likely:
Let not your buoyancy fail lest the ground rise up and smite thee.

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