stevestefsteve
Mechanical
If a steel plate containing a hole were heated, would the inside diameter increase?
Tek-Tips is the largest IT community on the Internet today!
Members share and learn making Tek-Tips Forums the best source of peer-reviewed technical information on the Internet!
-
Congratulations cowski on being selected by the Eng-Tips community for having the most helpful posts in the forums last week. Way to Go!
Thermal expansion effects on inside diameter of hole 2
- Thread starter stevestefsteve
- Start date
- Status
Yes. We fabricate large centrifugal fan inpellers that qualify as "a plate with a hole in it". We heat the hub of the fanwheel. The bore of the hub (hole) enlarges. We then install this on a cold shaft to achieve a "shrink fit".
lesgutzy
lesgutzy
-
2
- #7
CoryPad
Read attentively the given condition: “a steel plate containing a hole were heated”
The answer is as simple as that: if the whole plate is heated – INCREASE; if the local heating (around the hole) is applied – DECREASE.
The same is valid for a RING or ANY OTHER SHAPE
Viktor
Read attentively the given condition: “a steel plate containing a hole were heated”
The answer is as simple as that: if the whole plate is heated – INCREASE; if the local heating (around the hole) is applied – DECREASE.
The same is valid for a RING or ANY OTHER SHAPE
Viktor
Viktor,
No no no for local heating. It also depends on how much material is around the hole. If there is minimal material around the hole, the thermal expansion of the heated volume can strain the unheated perifery so that even though the net effect is increase in hole size.
No no no for local heating. It also depends on how much material is around the hole. If there is minimal material around the hole, the thermal expansion of the heated volume can strain the unheated perifery so that even though the net effect is increase in hole size.
Metman
I agree with that. There is alway a transition zone where you can have even no effect of local heating - you heat but the diameter does not change. However, this is relatively small "gray" area. In reality you may have both INCREASE and DECREASE depending upon the force balance, which, in turn, depends on how much material you have around the hole. Viktor
I agree with that. There is alway a transition zone where you can have even no effect of local heating - you heat but the diameter does not change. However, this is relatively small "gray" area. In reality you may have both INCREASE and DECREASE depending upon the force balance, which, in turn, depends on how much material you have around the hole. Viktor
Corus
You contradict to your statement about restriction. If you try heat material around the hole and other part of the plate is not heated thus preventing expansion – where this material goes? The material expands to the direction of the least resistance - is it clear? If not, select u unit volume of the material and construct a free-body diagram – see for example Section 8.10 Problems Involving Temperature Changes in Beer F.P. and Johnson E.R “Mechanics of Materials” 5ed. McGraw-Hill and try to solve problem 2.45 (p. 61) - it might help to understand.
Viktor
You contradict to your statement about restriction. If you try heat material around the hole and other part of the plate is not heated thus preventing expansion – where this material goes? The material expands to the direction of the least resistance - is it clear? If not, select u unit volume of the material and construct a free-body diagram – see for example Section 8.10 Problems Involving Temperature Changes in Beer F.P. and Johnson E.R “Mechanics of Materials” 5ed. McGraw-Hill and try to solve problem 2.45 (p. 61) - it might help to understand.
Viktor
There is going to be a lot of resistance to making that hole smaller due to thermal expansion. There's not really "room" for the material to expand inward.
I'll have to see if I can find a copy of the 5th edition. I have my 2nd edition from when I took the class, and, from reviewing the "Problems Involving Temperature Changes" in that edition, I don't see how that's going to make the hole get smaller. Edward L. Klein
Pipe Stress Engineer
Houston, Texas
All opinions expressed here are my own and not my company's.
I'll have to see if I can find a copy of the 5th edition. I have my 2nd edition from when I took the class, and, from reviewing the "Problems Involving Temperature Changes" in that edition, I don't see how that's going to make the hole get smaller. Edward L. Klein
Pipe Stress Engineer
Houston, Texas
All opinions expressed here are my own and not my company's.
Viktor,
If something is heated and restrained from expansion then the material is compressed to remain in the same space. It basically doesn't go anywhere and is subject to compressive stresses. If you locally heat a hole in a plate then the region around the hole will be in compression and material away from the hole will be in tension. There will however still be some increase in the hole diameter as the material away from the hole is not infinitely stiff to resist the thermal expansion presumably.
If something is heated and restrained from expansion then the material is compressed to remain in the same space. It basically doesn't go anywhere and is subject to compressive stresses. If you locally heat a hole in a plate then the region around the hole will be in compression and material away from the hole will be in tension. There will however still be some increase in the hole diameter as the material away from the hole is not infinitely stiff to resist the thermal expansion presumably.
- Status
Similar threads
- Question
- Question
- Question